Thought this was against the civil rights of Canadians
Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....
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Police departments are functionally immune from getting in trouble. How many scandals has the RCMP been a part of and they just swap a staff member or two and continue on? Law enforcement in Canada needs many grenades. Starting from scratch would be far better than trying to fix a system that is rotten to the core (and overpriced and underperforming).
Dirty Frank
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A little sad the cops couldn't figure out who he was without releasing the images and appalling that he stabs people every few years and remains in public.
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Suspect arrested in random fatal attack of unhoused man at U of T campus
Toronto police are searching for a man considered "armed and dangerous" after a 60-year-old man was killed in what investigators say was a random attack
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Looks like an undercover cop having a physical discussion with a rider. Poor bike.
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If you haven't watched his recent video about being threatened (again) with a lawsuit by a SovCit, it's well worth the time.
'Suspended with pay' is a slap in the face to any good office, the public, the taxpayer, and goes against everything the badge should stand for.
If I had the power, the officer's pay would be put into a trust, and if they're found guilty then they get zero. If they get found not-guilty...then they get their full pay with any interest earned.
'But how about living without a salary for all that time?'
Well maybe...don't do things at work that end up with you getting suspended, investigated, and potentially charged.
In my job...if they so much as get a whiff of conflict of interest (even if it's just perceived) then I'm getting a call from HR, and very possibly kicked out the door WITH NO PAY.
That is every job in the world other than police officer or politician.
this is criminal
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Ontario court upholds $20K ArriveCan fines for Amish families
Several Amish families in Ontario are facing $20,000 in COVID-related fines for violating the Quarantine Act after an Ontario court denied their application to reopen the tickets. The families were represented by The Democracy Fund and are part of the group's larger effort to defend over 30 Amish
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If you know there are laws (even dumb ones) and choose to break them, sometimes that costs you. They could have chosen not to travel. They chose to do what they wanted and relied on religion to protect them. Not a whole lot different than sovereign citizens in this instance in my mind.this is criminal
Ontario court upholds $20K ArriveCan fines for Amish families
Several Amish families in Ontario are facing $20,000 in COVID-related fines for violating the Quarantine Act after an Ontario court denied their application to reopen the tickets. The families were represented by The Democracy Fund and are part of the group's larger effort to defend over 30 Amish
Now, arrivecan was a dumpster fire. I am not arguing that it was good or should have been required. It was part of the law at the time though. Just because I hate it doesn't mean I get to ignore it.
Gaoler
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Here's the thing though... You either have innocent until PROVEN guilty for EVERYONE or no one.
'Seen MANY cases of guys getting suspended (with pay) and in the end it's determined they did nothing wrong.
Add to that the occasional malicious persecution/suspensions launched by shady and corrupt "leadership"
Y'think its right those guys have their pay cut off on the basis of an accusation..?
Recently had a fellow exonorated after a two year suspension over what turned out to be a made up /BS complaint over something that never happened.
While I agree to a point. The flip side of it is that there are officers that go for years, are found guilty, and yet effectively had a paid vacation.
I’ll stick with my recommendation. Freeze pay, then back pay when found not guilty because they’ll NEVER get their money back.
OR…
Keep paying them, but pull the back pay from the retirement fund from the rest of the force.
Innocent until proven guilty is a criminal court concept. It has nothing to do with employment. Every other employer uses balance of probability to determine consequences. If it is more likely than not the offence was committed, fired and feel free to sue if you think we got it wrong. The root of the problem is police do not deal with employment issues until after the entire criminal trial is exhausted. That is insane. I agree that a complaint alone shouldn't result in suspension without pay. It should trigger a rapid investigation and PSB hearing on whether continued employment is reasonable. Many cops are on paid vacation with many witnesses and evidence of them committing actual crimes. As it is now, they just go on vacation for years and resign seconds before the axe drops.
I'm not saying change it overnight. Psa needs to change first. Then collective agreements need to be modified to comply with the law. As it sits, it is probably the worst possible system for everyone except the criminals in blue.
Every other employer isn't the government, which has the duty to try someone charged with a crime.
Cops are not much different than metrolinx, Healthcare, teachers and every other person that works for government through a subsidiary. That argument should apply to all or none. Again, I am talking about employment not criminal culpability. The bar for employment is far lower and is not at all affected by who prosecuted criminal charges.
POWERMAN
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this is criminal
Ontario court upholds $20K ArriveCan fines for Amish families
Several Amish families in Ontario are facing $20,000 in COVID-related fines for violating the Quarantine Act after an Ontario court denied their application to reopen the tickets. The families were represented by The Democracy Fund and are part of the group's larger effort to defend over 30 Amish
If the courts will behave the exact same way if the accused were muslims, jews or part of some other 'diverse' ethnic community, I will agree with this.
I dont get why of all people they decided to pass this sort of judgement on a group of people who mind their own business, do not harm other communities and have been maintaining this way of life for generations.
I was pretty specific in my qualifier, which doesn't apply to those other groups.
