Lance Armstrong Doping

Is Lance stilll a Hero or now a Zero?

  • Hero

    Votes: 14 45.2%

  • Zero

    Votes: 17 54.8%
  • Total voters
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I don't watch most sports now. Way too commercial.

Funny thing that, neither do my three boys.

WTF will these people do when others join us?
 
Baggsy said:
I don't watch most sports now. Way too commercial.

Funny thing that, neither do my three boys.

WTF will these people do when others join us?
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I feel the same way, still love sports but would rather watch amature with athelets that do it cause they love it and not for the money.
 
rafiki911 said:
I feel the same way, still love sports but would rather watch amature with athelets that do it cause they love it and not for the money.
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The Olympics is the absolute worst for me, and they used to be all amateur. I've never watched and never will.
Although if I can make enough money, I might try and get one or more of my kids on the Canadian team.

I used to have Toronto Rock tickets.
They're professional, but do it as a second job because they love the sport, and probably hope it will take off soon enough to make them millionaires.
 
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Baggsy said:
The Olympics is the absolute worst for me, and they used to be all amateur. I've never watched and never will.
Although if I can make enough money, I might try and get one or more of my kids on the Canadian team.
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I still love the Olympics:) Well more of the traditional events. wtf is trampoline lol that is what athletes use to train for their sport. Lets make yoga an event. lol I think I need to be on the commity that decides what sports become Olympic events.
 
caboose483 said:
Have you ever broken the speed limit?

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Is there a grey scale for doping?

Better yet, are there awards, money etc. for highway driving?
 
Roasted said:
I'm talking about Natural Bodybuilding........let's not start a "is it a sport" debate right now though, not really in that kinda mood lol. I've had to pee in a cup before and the sample was sent to some lab that supposedly the IOC uses too. They usually just test the winners though. EDIT: I'm sure Natural Bodybuilding is not IMMUNE but I can be somewhat competitive without juicing so that's good enough for me.
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Pretty sure that in competition testing like you describe (pee in the cup after the event), is pretty easy to beat. Just stop taking x days/weeks/etc before the event. Like most sports to be good you need to stay injury free so you can train consistently. That's where steroids/hgh are most effective. They let you recover/heal much faster so you can go again.
 
Baggsy said:
Is there a grey scale for doping?

Better yet, are there awards, money etc. for highway driving?
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Get home sooner to enjoy life with your family? Personal enjoyment?

There are rewards to fast driving, they just aren't monetary rewards.

Exceeding the speed limit by a moderate amount is 'ok' because 'everyone does it'. No???

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moosh009 said:
Pretty sure that in competition testing like you describe (pee in the cup after the event), is pretty easy to beat. Just stop taking x days/weeks/etc before the event. Like most sports to be good you need to stay injury free so you can train consistently. That's where steroids/hgh are most effective. They let you recover/heal much faster so you can go again.
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I'm sure you're right but like I said; if you really wanna make it big in the fitness industry, you compete in the IFBB where no one cares if you juice. There is not much incentive to spend money on gear to win a plastic trophy at a natural bodybuilding event that you know you don't deserve cause you're cheating. If the events were much bigger, with a lot of prize money, and sponsorships on the line though than goodbye competing clean IMHO. At this point, considering I've placed top 5 at every contest I've entered and I'm clean, at least MOST of the guys aren't cheating and if they are, they're not very good at it.
 
moosh009 said:
Pretty sure that in competition testing like you describe (pee in the cup after the event), is pretty easy to beat. Just stop taking x days/weeks/etc before the event. Like most sports to be good you need to stay injury free so you can train consistently. That's where steroids/hgh are most effective. They let you recover/heal much faster so you can go again.
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Roasted, wouldn't it be pretty noticeble who is using and who isn't in the competitions you are in. Doesn't a juiced body look different then a natural one?
 
rafiki911 said:
Roasted, wouldn't it be pretty noticeble who is using and who isn't in the competitions you are in. Doesn't a juiced body look different then a natural one?
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NO, no it doesn't. There is no way of telling by just looking at someone if they are juicing unless they are way over their natural limit for size (since "natural limit" is a bit of a fuzzy line and the limit is slightly different for everyone) or maybe if they screwed up their cycles and have gyno (basically breast tissue from too much estrogen). Muscle is muscle and will look like muscle regardless if it was built using your natural test levels from your balls or with test that came from a syringe. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
 
Roasted said:
NO, no it doesn't. There is no way of telling by just looking at someone if they are juicing unless they are way over their natural limit for size (since "natural limit" is a bit of a fuzzy line and the limit is slightly different for everyone) or maybe if they screwed up their cycles and have gyno (basically breast tissue from too much estrogen). Muscle is muscle and will look like muscle regardless if it was built using your natural test levels from your balls or with test that came from a syringe. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what he/she is talking about.
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Good to know, thanks:)
 
moosh009 said:
We just have to change the attitude of the athletes/managers so that doping is unacceptable. Just like in Lance's case, there were people who knew he was doping, yet they did nothing about it. Probably because they either didn't think they could, were concerned that if they did their career would be over, etc. If we change that attitude, it will be much harder for dopers to exist as people will not hesitate to out them.
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People don't understand the culture of pro cycling. In Europe the riders are put on a pedestal by the tifosi. Doping was/is a defacto condition of your employment, and it's not like you can say "I'm gonna be clean, win all the major tours". There are 22 team slots open, and the rosters are all decided behind closed doors with golden handshakes. Many riders don't want to use, but it's the price you HAVE to pay. There is no Option B, and it causes major moral dilemmas in people. The Little Pirate never recovered from getting thrown under the bus by his team/UCI after he tested positive when he and everyone else were doing what was told to do.

Read it. Read between the lines.

The Suicide Note of Marco Pantani


You will read this after, so I want you to know I was happiest on the bike.
For all of my memory I felt the most at home
With my feet on the pedals and the world moving around me.
The perfume of grease,
mentholated embrocation
and the heat in my legs.

We saw the movie in the small cinema in Cesenatico,
Disney’s little elephant who could fly.
I flew away on my bike that afternoon,
A boy’s eyes wet with tears of humiliation.
The harder I pedaled,
The higher I flew,

I learned to use my skills,
To fly above my hurt,
You called me hero, but I heard only taunts.
Pedal harder.
You called me campione.
Pedal harder.
You called me cheater.
Pedal harder.

I’m sorry, but I could not pedal every hour of every day.
I could not keep those thoughts
From my sleep.
So I filled my hours with tricks to stop the endless chatter of
God and family. Sin and redemption. My face in the mirror.
My imperfections magnified.
Pedal harder.

I held the biggest prize above my head
My heart was full of joy and peace.
My mother and father wept at my achievement.
But by the next dawn I was filled again with shame.
Pedal harder.
And when the next prize was taken
Just hours from my grasp
All was black inside
And I could only recoil from the light.
They wanted to punish me,
But I was already in prison.

I fought back, of course.
To be my own superhero,
A Pirate, a criminal beloved for his audacity.
Accepted as flawed. Accepted.
But I could not accept myself.
I cut away at my face,
but I could not slice into my disfigured soul.

Do not think it was all for nothing.
There is so much that I cherish.
Thank you, my dear friends,
For your hands reaching out for my slippery fingers.
I did see your signs on the climbs,
My name in fresh paint that clung to my tires.
I appreciated your hands on the small of my back,
The cool water spilled down my neck.
A million roadside kindnesses over the years,
Grazie. Grazie. Goodbye.

It is not so bad to be an Elephantino.
I just wanted to be a boy.
 
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Until the rest of the people involved at all levels nothing will change.
The Cyclists are mere tools to make money for their masters.
 
This is an interesting subject. You guys should listen to a recent Joe Rogan podcast with Victor Conte (Founder of BALCO, SNAC). Friggin interesting listen to say the least on the subject of doping. He was very honest in the podcast. The guy has a lot of history in the game of doping and he told some interesting stories.

I highly recommend it.
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