Well, having seen the marks, it was a fair bit more than a simple straight-line burn-out that might have earned him just a simple unnecessary noise ticket. It was more like Tokyo Drift.
Kid charged for stunting in Costco parking lot in Guelph
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Well, having seen the marks, it was a fair bit more than a simple straight-line burn-out that might have earned him just a simple unnecessary noise ticket. It was more like Tokyo Drift.
It seems your interpretation of damage is different then.
But to me, this:
And this:
...on someone else's private property, for which they paid a LOT of money to have the lines measured, marked, and painted... constitutes damage.
Mischief under $5000 which may result in a criminal record, but not necessarily. Dangerous operation coincidentally carries the same min and max penalties as flee from police and fail to remain.. again perspective. Also, rubber washes away; paint on a wall, not so much
Hitting 80km/h+ in a parking lot then slamming on the brakes is ok? (not taking a jab at you, serious question, I really have no idea and I want to practice emergency braking without being harassed by the boys in blue)
The slamming on the brakes shouldn't be a problem. The 80km+ will be if the parking lot is accessible to motoring and/or non-motoring public.
It seems your interpretation of damage is different then.
But to me, this:
Yes, our opinions differ.
And this:
Now that we know where "Right here" is griff, did it look like this?
@PrivatePilot: I looked up Ben Morieson. Seems this photo may be from an entire day of burnout demonstrations. Wanna bet it washed away with no "significant" long term damage.
Edit: also seems that most of his "burnout" art is from RC cars.. maybe this as well?
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Damage to paint lines does not.
Perhaps an overzealous cop who happened to be sitting and watching might take notice, but I'd find it very hard to believe that if you were stopped and questioned and were polite about it, explained what you were doing and the safety aspect behind what you were practicing, that any cop would write you a ticket for it. If so, I'd be challenging it in court in a heartbeat, but I don't recall ever having heard of anyone having an issue.
Again, choice of locations would be key. I wouldn't do it in a busy mall parking lot as that's just asking for unwanted attention. When I bought my current bike and I wanted to practice and learn it's braking characteristics I went to a quiet industrial area after business hours - I had 1K of dead end road all to myself without any issues.
This sort of thing is, however, very innocent and justifiable vs the alternative we're talking about here, intentionally doing donuts, creating big attention grabbing clouds of smoke, wrecking painted lines and leaving black marks everywhere.
still .. driver will have a criminal record.. even tho there may not be a conviction on this ....
in my experience,, if the young fellow gets a GOOD LAWYER,, and pays the parking lot owner for the damages.. and stands in front of a judge with a reasonable explanation that he made sure no one was around.. and in danger.. wearing a nice suit,, clean shaven..
oh.. and to bring it up to modern time.. if he also states his parents are rich.. he will probably get off with affluenza
LoneRonin
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Well that's why he was charged with criminal offences because the cops probably figured they couldn't give him any HTA charges.
Going back to the title of this thread...He was not charged for stunting, it was for dangerous operation of a motor vehicle and mischief. OP even put the text in bold yet his title still says 'charged for stunting'.
You're talking as if the paint has been peeled away; it hasn't. Even in the example you posted the paint is still under the rubber.
Again, perspective is needed here. You must have been young once. Think back to something you did in your youth that would result in a criminal conviction today.. You know there's something... just pause on that.. Personally, I can not support smashing people with a sledge hammer for such mundane indiscretions. I know.. I'm a menace.
PrivatePilot said:
@ Plau. Could have fooled me
On the aspect of the charge being overzealous, we are on the same page. Something lesser as others have mentioned, possibly with some restitution to fix the damage would have been justified, but unless there was some imminent risk to others (and who knows, perhaps there was, we don't exactly know the whole story here), the charges he received do seem overkill.
Alas we agree on something.. I retract my previous
PLau
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Pretty sure same charges would apply... also quiet sure there's one or two here who'd be fine with that outcome
If you're in a foot of snow, it's pretty rare for your rubber to be grinding against tarmac, unless you're trying to dig through the snow by doing a snow burn out (is that a thing..?).
That being said, no damage, no danger to others, no issue, for the most part. The most important part is, don't be an *** when approached...
But this is only YOUR opinion. You CAN still be charged because the offense is dangerous operation not line destruction
Yeah, when I was a kid one of the favourite summer activities was to drive out to rural areas for field and bush parties. so much fun even if you weren't big on drinking. They just won't let you do that any more. Today a kid would be likely to get scooped up for impaired driving on your way home and for some, on their way there too. Today's kids are so deprived of that experience.
I guess I'm kind of lost, I agree he was overcharged. That's a direct result of the hypersensitive climate we live in today. Everybody has to honestly look at their own contribution to that. I think some people want vengence for the dooshery they're put thru everyday. Right or wrong cops have the power to deliver that. I wouldn't belittle the loss of quality of life these actions put people thru. Why should the owner of the private property have to devote even one second and one ounce of energy to this? Charging the kid doesn't help the owner. Restitution still means he has to deal with it. He is an unwilling participant. When 2 typical Harleys come or go at murdercentral hundreds of people are held hostage for many minutes. Try to calculate that suffering. A massive fine for these Harleys wouldn't be enough imho but boy oh boy would that raise a chorus of "unfairness" and court battles. The burnouts, noise, speeding is all same **** different pile. That the late night 200km/h guy gets swept up in this is unfortunate but the vast majority of people who don't do that are in no mood to extend courtesy. Yes, there needs to be perspective but it goes both ways.
