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As for WE, I have a serious problem with any charity that pays speakers. Either they support the charity or they do not....

Paying travel expenses, maybe, a gift bag with some low cost swag, maybe. Paid speaking engagements is really slimy on both parts.
 
backmarkerducati said:
As for WE, I have a serious problem with any charity that pays speakers. Either they support the charity or they do not....

Paying travel expenses, maybe, a gift bag with some low cost swag, maybe. Paid speaking engagements is really slimy on both parts.
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WE blurs the line by having for-profit and non-profit arms. Apparently the non-profit arm is not supposed to pay speakers but accidentally cut a cheque for 60K to MT (how does a charity accidentally award that much to an individual unless that is a common amount distributed to individuals). When the relationship is that close and JT is pumping hundreds of millions into the non-profit arm to cover their expenses you realize how much the whole situation stinks. WE bailed hoping to dodge the light being shone on them but may have overstepped and may not survive this round of greed.
 
STARSHIP said:
This is the JT Canadians keep lapping up.
he has only lost 5% of his approval ratings.

Where is the outrage? His followers like Trump’s just ignore the facts.

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First they are all pigs at a trough, red ones, blue ones, orange ones.... people are desensitized to any of them being pigs. No one is outraged by what they all do, being pigs at the trough.

Next, it is all about the context of least worse. If there was an alternative party leader in Canada that was a legitimate less worse option (or better yet a "good" option) his approval ratings would drop. So far that has not happened and the current Conservative pool needs a serious chlorine shock, NDP is no better. As long as all three major parties are playing this game, this is what we get. We see it in their messages, crying about how bad JT is, very little messaging about how good they are!
 
backmarkerducati said:
First they are all pigs at a trough, red ones, blue ones, orange ones.... people are desensitized to any of them being pigs. No one is outraged by what they all do, being pigs at the trough.

Next, it is all about the context of least worse. If there was an alternative party leader in Canada that was a legitimate less worse option (or better yet a "good" option) his approval ratings would drop. So far that has not happened and the current Conservative pool needs a serious chlorine shock, NDP is no better. As long as all three major parties are playing this game, this is what we get. We see it in their messages, crying about how bad JT is, very little messaging about how good they are!
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Where can you start the discussion about this type of attitude, without going off the deep end?
It appears that people would rather have assurances, and promises, than truths. They're living in a dreamworld.
Basically, if you can convince people you are the least worst, then you can slowly, or quickly, make things worse and worse, and they will keep supporting you. Why would you do any different?

The pigs have just suspended Parliament, and ordered a new trough, to the tune of nearly a trillion dollars, that they will never, ever have to pay towards. {Look up MP benefits, and the people who are in charge of this, then how much money there is, which they don't know where it is).
My thinking, is that they believe, that they're a little more equal, than us animals.

We need to base our opinions on facts and truths, rather than appearances, and deceptions.
 
Might be time for another election.

Thing is, does any party want to inherit the financial headwinds setup by Trudeau? Trudeau threw $350,000,000,000 into the bonfire this year, that's an astronomical amount of money.
 
Mad Mike said:
Might be time for another election.

Thing is, does any party want to inherit the financial headwinds setup by Trudeau? Trudeau threw $350,000,000,000 into the bonfire this year, that's an astronomical amount of money.
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To elect who? I can't vote for Singh, he would make JT spending look like JT was at the dollar store and Singh was at Holt Renfrew. We don't know which idiot the Cons are going to run, but none of the choices look great to me. That leaves prince dumb dumb to get another term.

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Although far from perfect, at this point to me the best way forward looks like an election in two years with douggie as the federal con leader. I expect JT to call an election early to make this almost impossible. If douggie quit as premier to run, JT would tear him apart in the press for not completing what he signed up for.
 
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Baggsy said:
Where can you start the discussion about this type of attitude, without going off the deep end?
It appears that people would rather have assurances, and promises, than truths. They're living in a dreamworld.
Basically, if you can convince people you are the least worst, then you can slowly, or quickly, make things worse and worse, and they will keep supporting you. Why would you do any different?

The pigs have just suspended Parliament, and ordered a new trough, to the tune of nearly a trillion dollars, that they will never, ever have to pay towards. {Look up MP benefits, and the people who are in charge of this, then how much money there is, which they don't know where it is).
My thinking, is that they believe, that they're a little more equal, than us animals.

We need to base our opinions on facts and truths, rather than appearances, and deceptions.
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All it takes is one party to break the chain, just one. So far none of them seem interested in finding a truly good balanced leader. Lots of catering to their base, outdated dogma, etc. Just one, all it takes.
 
backmarkerducati said:
All it takes is one party to break the chain, just one. So far none of them seem interested in finding a truly good balanced leader. Lots of catering to their base, outdated dogma, etc. Just one, all it takes.
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As much as I would like to believe this, I doubt it is possible. A candidate has zero chance of being elected party leader if they threaten to blow up the house of excess and privilege that they have all become accustomed to.
 
GreyGhost said:
To elect who? I can't vote for Singh, he would make JT spending look like JT was at the dollar store and Singh was at Holt Renfrew. We don't know which idiot the Cons are going to run, but none of the choices look great to me. That leaves prince dumb dumb to get another term.

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Although far from perfect, at this point to me the best way forward looks like an election in two years with douggie as the federal con leader. I expect JT to call an election early to make this almost impossible. If douggie quit as premier to run, JT would tear him apart in the press for not completing what he signed up for.
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Right now I doubt anyone (I don't count Singh or May) would want to snatch the PMO from JT -- he hasn't hit bottom, he has a few more dumpsters of cash to set on fire and that's going to burn a big crater the next PM sill be calling home.

I also don't thing the PCs are ready, neither of their leadership candidates are palatable enough for Eastern Canada. If they were, they'd have already pounced. I suspect DF is pondering.... DF needs another year to demonstrate a steady steady leadership hand, finish his french courses (Premier Doug Ford says he’s learning French, offers a ‘bonjour, comment ca va’ as evidence) and one more year to raise his national profile. DF may be the most powerful leader in the country right now, Ontario didn't fare too badly in relative terms, JT hasn't dared to cross him for the last 6 months. He can also dust off the strategy and plan he used to extirpate the Ontario Provincial Liberal party.
 
Mad Mike said:
Right now I doubt anyone (I don't count Singh or May) would want to snatch the PMO from JT -- he hasn't hit bottom, he has a few more dumpsters of cash to set on fire and that's going to burn a big crater the next PM sill be calling home.
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Oh an probably another scandal or two, ethics violation and a spending giveway to friends etc. before he is done.
 
sburns said:
Oh an probably another scandal or two, ethics violation and a spending giveway to friends etc. before he is done.
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Those are probably already done, or at least WIP -- it takes a little time for the whistleblowers to let us know.
 
backmarkerducati said:
First they are all pigs at a trough, red ones, blue ones, orange ones.... people are desensitized to any of them being pigs. No one is outraged by what they all do, being pigs at the trough.
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Exactly, Canadian's need to wake up and honestly I would like to see some kind of revolution, revolt or something instead of Canadians sitting back and taking it as usual from the gov, we've all become complacent on what they do with our money, and take no responsibility for it.

Baggsy said:
Where can you start the discussion about this type of attitude, without going off the deep end?

We need to base our opinions on facts and truths, rather than appearances, and deceptions.
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It's a tough one, as for living standards go we have it pretty good, and people have busy lives, and do not have time to invest or the energy to care what gov is doing, and just go along with it. Pick someone who doesn't seem aweful, or whoever has done the most damage gets the boot, like the liberals in Ont, hopefully soon Canada wide after this JT trainwreck, but I doubt it.
 
I'm not sure how to reply. We're in deep doo doo now. A single has government has rescinded Parliament, and pushed the debt to unprecedented levels. They're not finished yet. Our debt is now over 0.8 Trillion dollars, and rising fast. Our credit rating (only one in the G7) was downgraded.

The old conservative attack ads that came out long ago "Just not ready", have been proven out time after time.
But for some mysterious reason, we'll keep given him the benefit of the doubt as he pisses away, and disappears more money.

So, for someone to pipe up and say that they can't give someone else, without a bad track record, the benefit of the doubt, it just boggles my mind.

Think about it logically for a second, Trudeau is an R.C. He was pedaled to the church-going as a person who had just taken an Alpha course. This means that his record on abortion, homosexuality and women's rights, should be worse than any reformed church, but people give him the benefit of the doubt, and not the other leader. If people can't get over that hump, we're in for a world of hurt.
Let him sit at home with his $100,000+, tax free pension, and live off of his foundation. Maybe he can commiserate with his dad's buddy Chretien.

I really wish that Poilievre had run, but he put his family first, which is good. I'd like to see someone from out west take over, Michelle Rempel comes to mind, but I'm not sure Quebec would stand for it, even though we may lose Alberta in the future.
 
Anyone that didnt get Covid and/or got CERB (or whatever other $$ were available) will vote for JT. He is the one that saved them. Dougie didnt do anything FOR them. Guarantee thats how most will see it.
 
Baggsy said:
I'm not sure how to reply.
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Well that is the issue right there... a sense of hopelessness, I think a lot of people feel that way about our governement(s) as a whole. The more you think about it the more frustrated you feel about it, is it worth it, not really when you have no options to change it. So I believe people turn a blind eye...with some limited hope to believe when voting the leadership will do something, but nothing changes and we get screwed again.

I am all for the computerized government, and not the sales people politicians.
 
sburns said:
Well that is the issue right there... a sense of hopelessness, I think a lot of people feel that way about our governement(s) as a whole. The more you think about it the more frustrated you feel about it, is it worth it, not really when you have no options to change it. So I believe people turn a blind eye...with some limited hope to believe when voting the leadership will do something, but nothing changes and we get screwed again.

I am all for the computerized government, and not the sales people politicians.
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Someone to administer referendums:) true democracy. I'm not sure I would be as happy with the outcome as I am with the idea.
 
I think the biggest issue we are facing is our debt. As it rises, so does our debt service costs. When JT took office, Canada had accumulated $612B in debt over the last 110 years. During his tenure, (2016 till now) he has run that up $500B himself -- the debt now stands close to $1,100B.

Just the interest on to service JT's $500B deficit will cost more each year than Canada's National Defense budget.
 
Everyone's in debt because of the pandemic and everyone knows it. Economics won’t get him out.
 
sburns said:
Well that is the issue right there... a sense of hopelessness, I think a lot of people feel that way about our governement(s) as a whole. The more you think about it the more frustrated you feel about it, is it worth it, not really when you have no options to change it. So I believe people turn a blind eye...with some limited hope to believe when voting the leadership will do something, but nothing changes and we get screwed again.

I am all for the computerized government, and not the sales people politicians.
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I'm more frustrated over the 40% of voters, who think "oh, he's apologized, it's all good now, and we can't let those right-wing bigots in".
The cons have unfairly been painted as bigots, and miscreants, by the libs for decades now.

jc100 said:
Everyone's in debt because of the pandemic and everyone knows it. Economics won’t get him out.
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We seem to be stuck in deeper than most, and our response was inadequate.
 
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