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Justin Time
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You won't find it lol.Can't find "military grade" either, we must be searching a different document:
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Oh you meant the government. @Trials
It was what Trudeau said in his announcement.
Trudeau announces ban on 1,500 types of 'military-grade' guns
OTTAWA — The federal government has outlawed a wide range of rifles with the aim of making Canada safer, saying the guns were designed for the battlefield, not hunt…
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I think it was more of a statement as to the "criteria" they used to determine which guns to put on the list. Military looking = banned (plastic being military looking, in this case).
They outlawed a majority of shotguns by accident. Bill Blair has stated that the regulation doesn't say what it says, but that's an argument of the letter of the law vs the spirit of the law, and we all know what one actually holds up in court. Well, whether it was intentional or massive incompetence is up for debate, but it was certainly one of the two.
I was previously of the opinion that the Liberals wouldn't do anything, despite saying they would as it was a tasty carrot they could endlessly dangle in front of people to get votes, but didn't really have the support to pull off. In various discussions with people I claimed that the pro-gun crowd had an unfounded paranoia about this happening. There is even a video of JT saying they wouldn't be confiscating guns which has been going around (I can't remember if it were posted here or reddit or something). I feel pretty stupid now, tbh.
Doing it is not a bad thing, I don't think anyone really needs to own an assault rifle, however I don't think it will solve the problem.
Its more about political lip service and votes than saving lives.
California is a great example. When they banned assault weapons - and indecently the laws here are much more strict that what Trudeau is proposing - it didn't cut down on assault rifle ownership.
Anyone can drive to a gun show in Nevada, load up (no pun intended) and drive home.
Sacramento did a study on this and came to some interesting conclusions...
And this came from a Democratic Governor.
There is no easy answer - I certainly don't have one - and I don't think anyone is interested in looking for one.
I think its very naive to believe that this will make any difference. I don't think it would have in the case of the NS shootings as I believe he used a rifle and shotgun initially. Maybe i'm a little cynical but I think its about getting the vote from the Soccer Mom who is more worried about the guy living next door than her kid falling into the pool in the back yard and drowning
Its more about political lip service and votes than saving lives.
California is a great example. When they banned assault weapons - and indecently the laws here are much more strict that what Trudeau is proposing - it didn't cut down on assault rifle ownership.
Anyone can drive to a gun show in Nevada, load up (no pun intended) and drive home.
Sacramento did a study on this and came to some interesting conclusions...
- It turned a lot of registered, law abiding citizens into criminals overnight.
- The weapons that they now own are unregistered and effectively untraceable
- There is a huge black market in state for these weapons and they do eventually end up in the hands of Gangs and Violent Criminals
- It diverted a lot of State and ATF resources onto people that are effectively "low risk" and away from Gangs and the Gang-bangers that commit 94% of gun crime.
- In California gang violence and gun crime in general rose after the ban
And this came from a Democratic Governor.
There is no easy answer - I certainly don't have one - and I don't think anyone is interested in looking for one.
I think its very naive to believe that this will make any difference. I don't think it would have in the case of the NS shootings as I believe he used a rifle and shotgun initially. Maybe i'm a little cynical but I think its about getting the vote from the Soccer Mom who is more worried about the guy living next door than her kid falling into the pool in the back yard and drowning
Sure, no one 'needs one'. You don't 'need' to own the home you live in, a cottage or a plethora of other things. They are luxury items.
Agreed, it's going to solve nothing. But the soccer moms will 'feel' safer and vote liberal again. Until the cons get into power and repeal it. Then the libs can point at them and claim they want an unsafe environment for Canadian families.
im beginning to believe this was a well laid political trap for the long game.
If a person thinks they're privileged in their mind it is a right.
In the hands of a criminal anything can be a weapon. The problem with the US situation is that they've watched too much TV and see a gun as the first option in solving a problem, not the last.
Take a marketing course on any consumer product and you will see the simple mindedness of the average consumer. They don't want deep involvement, just what magic pill makes the problem go away. Make violence go away. Make my fat go away. Make my debt go away. Make my lousy job go away. What button do I push or do I make an X in a box?
Dirty Frank
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Too bad that there isnt a font for the hysterical woman's voice "somebody think of the children" ......
Really? They are experts on gun laws, law enforcement, criminal psychology, and unpublished statistics because they had a family member shot?
Am I an expert on traffic laws, statistics, car design, and various injuries because my mom got in a fender bender once?
Decisions should be based on facts developed from statistics and studies, not based on emotion. The families in Nova Scotia are upset, but they don't have some sort of special knowledge about how best to tackle a huge issue such as violent crime (especially as it relates to guns). They lost the lottery, and I feel terrible for them, but that doesn't mean they can help here.
Dirty Frank
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If the money about to be wasted on implementing this ban were to be spent on mental health care instead the lives saved or otherwise protected would be far greater IMHO
Mad men and people in crisis generally don't abide by laws and more laws are not gonna change this.
Mad men and people in crisis generally don't abide by laws and more laws are not gonna change this.
Ftfy
Dirty Frank
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Budgeting some more for for our health care system would be a start but failing that there always is euthanization.
If you are worried about failing the test dont worry we will all vouch for you. JS.
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On a related note. The Path stabber is likely being released from CAMH after five years to reintegrate with society. How about if you kill someone due to mental problems, you are locked in a hospital for the equivalent length of sentence. Any bets on how long before she stabs some other random person in the back?
Don't worry, she is not allowed to possess any weapons (I can't see them actually preventing her from touching a knife) and she needs to check in once a week to tell them she hasn't stabbed anyone yet.
It's a bit more technical then that.On a related note. The Path stabber is likely being released from CAMH after five years to reintegrate with society. How about if you kill someone due to mental problems, you are locked in a hospital for the equivalent length of sentence. Any bets on how long before she stabs some other random person in the back?
Director of CAMH will decide how she progresses to unescorted day passes and supervised overnights outside the hospital. Anytime she leaves the hospital they are required to notify police.
But yeah, 'crazy'.
How's that guy doing who chopped off someone's head on that greyhound bus?
This is what sways the public. that one word and the way a gun looks.
tired of beating a dead horse, but I can find a semi-auto 'hunting rifle' that shoots the same bullet at the same velocity for every 'assault rifle'. magazines are limited to 5 rounds. not to mention there are a ton of hunting rifles that shoot much more powerful rounds than the puny 556 that ARs shoot.
Only difference is look and nickname the media gives it. Possibly better ergonomics depending on body type. Criminals don't even choose these if you look historically at shootings in Canada.
Wait, wait don't tell me, handguns?
The hospital for mental illness here in KW is called Freeport. My wife spent 7 weeks there recently for assessment related to her brain injury. Just from that short time that i was there with her, i can tell that the system is very poorly underfunded and broken. The regionally run WHLIN is even worse. Top heavy system that is frequently abused by lazy People that want a free ride on the taxpayers dollar. The treatment of mental illness is pathetic. Another good example is CAMH.
Sad but true. National policies can't be based on one event. The Montreal shooting way back when was another knee jerk reaction. Did they target enforcement? Did they fund mental health? Nope, low hanging fruit because guns are easier to understand than brains.
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