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SunnY S said:
maybe this is why....

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Rumble Sends Viewers Tumbling Toward Misinformation

Research shows the emergent video platform can recommend conspiracy theories and other harmful content more often than not.
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vaccine misinformation is the top of the charts if you scroll down.
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The guy has a YouTube channel with 2m subscribers but can't post that video there. The study is from the Cleveland Clinic Ohio. How is it misinformation.
 
Baggsy said:
One of the current vax issues is that the sellers are doing the studies, which muddies the ethics. We need to have the raw data dispersed to independent researchers to peer review, which hasn't happened yet.

We also need some independent studies into the recent rash of heart issues. Some cardiologists have stated what they think it is, but peer reviewed studies would be better.

Or is the death rate from heart problems still normal now, and people are reading things into it?
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No they aren’t. The data harvested is coming from everywhere.
 
Relax said:
I wonder if his own daughter's funeral will be enough for him to finally come out of hiding.
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C'mon, everybody knows he's alive and well and painting fire hydrants in Tweed...
 
Baggsy said:
Here's a citation to back up my claim: Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults
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sciencebasedmedicine.org

Peer review fail: <em>Vaccine</em> publishes antivax propaganda disguised as “reanalyses” of Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial data

In order portray COVID-19 vaccines as dangerous, Peter Doshi has now managed to get poorly designed and performed "reanalyses" of the clinical trial data used by the FDA to grant emergency use approva
sciencebasedmedicine.org

read to the end and then perhaps reevaluate your claim
 
jc100 said:
sciencebasedmedicine.org

Peer review fail: <em>Vaccine</em> publishes antivax propaganda disguised as “reanalyses” of Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial data

In order portray COVID-19 vaccines as dangerous, Peter Doshi has now managed to get poorly designed and performed "reanalyses" of the clinical trial data used by the FDA to grant emergency use approva
sciencebasedmedicine.org

read to the end and then perhaps reevaluate your claim
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Some of the points make logical sense, but I'm not seeing data to back it up.
I got up into the ad hominem attacks, need I read further?
Is this the new science?
 
Baggsy said:
Some of the points make logical sense, but I'm not seeing data to back it up.
I got up into the ad hominem attacks, need I read further?
Is this the new science?
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Some papers shouldn’t have made it past peer review is the issue. That’s one. The reason is explained in that article.
 
DownUnder said:
What data would there have been, they literally tested the booster on 10 mice and said it was good to go.
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They literally would not have done. All COVID vaccines have gone through human volunteer testing before heading out into general use. They wouldn’t have FDA clearance if not.
 
Baggsy said:
New Covid boosters, which target BA.5, haven't yet been tested in people. How well will they work?

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Updated (Bivalent) COVID-19 Vaccines for Children Down to 6 Months of Age
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I guess it’s key to understand this paragraph…

The FDA's decision to consider Covid boosters without human data is in line with how it evaluates modified vaccines for influenza each year. Clinical studies in humans aren't required for the approval of seasonal influenza vaccines, even when they're reformulated for strain changes, said Dr. Jesse Goodman of Georgetown University, a former FDA vaccine chief.
 
Sadly the QAnon and likes have been blaming everything on vaccines specially anyone who dies or gets sick for whatever reason, specially anyone associated with the vaccine or a celebrity, "see look...". The other angle is to post up legit studies that shows expected stats (and ones that are actually proving benefits) but float it as the vaccine is bad. 99% likely 100% of the time if you read and understand the studies they prove the vaccine is working as expected, they conspiracy guys count on the reader not understanding them I guess. We have seen it posted here, look at this study it shows the vaccine is bad and when you read the study it shows multiple orders of magnitude lower risk with the vaccine than without. Look the earth if flat, see I proved it with my straight edge....

The saddest part, it is taking a horrible toll on the metal health of the followers. Keeping them in a constant paranoia about the "grand conspiracy". I have seen the decline over and over. This is very bad for people that buy into it.

The other sad part is, all the crying wolf means that if there is actual real evidence, no one will be listening anymore.

Every vaccine, medication, medical procedure has risks, I would hope everyone understands that by now????? If not, just look at medication side effects in US ads on TV or in magazines. Billions of people have been COVID vaccinated, 100s millions to billions on individual vaccines. Yep, everyone is mass dying from it now..../s

The absolute irony, this same group was screaming at the height of the pandemic that deaths were being mis-contributed to COVID to inflate the numbers. Now THEY are mis-contributing deaths to vaccines to inflate their numbers.... lol
 
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backmarkerducati said:
Sadly the QAnon and likes have been blaming everything on vaccines specially anyone who dies or gets sick for whatever reason, specially anyone associated with the vaccine or a celebrity, "see look...". The other angle is to post up legit studies that shows expected stats (and ones that are actually proving benefits) but float it as the vaccine is bad. 99% likely 100% of the time if you read and understand the studies they prove the vaccine is working as expected, they conspiracy guys count on the reader not understanding them I guess. We have seen it posted here, look at this study it shows the vaccine is bad and when you read the study it shows multiple orders of magnitude lower risk with the vaccine than without. Look the earth if flat, see I proved it with my straight edge....

The saddest part, it is taking a horrible toll on the metal health of the followers. Keeping them in a constant paranoia about the "grand conspiracy". I have seen the decline over and over. This is very bad for people that buy into it.

The other sad part is, all the crying wolf means that if there is actual real evidence, no one will be listening anymore.

Every vaccine, medication, medical procedure has risks, I would hope everyone understands that by now????? If not, just look at medication side effects in US ads on TV or in magazines. Billions of people have been COVID vaccinated, 100s millions to billions on individual vaccines. Yep, everyone is mass dying from it now..../s

The absolute irony, this same group was screaming at the height of the pandemic that deaths were being mis-contributed to COVID to inflate the numbers. Now THEY are mis-contributing deaths to vaccines to inflate their numbers.... lol
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It’s an education issue. Most people either didn’t understand or didn’t care to understand how diseases work/drugs are developed and so find it easier to just parrot whatever they see supports a bias they have. A lot of these sources come from dark, dark holes where the intent is to sow confusion/doubt and discord. There may be multiple reasons for that, some worse than others.
 
jc100 said:
It’s an education issue. Most people either didn’t understand or didn’t care to understand how diseases work/drugs are developed and so find it easier to just parrot whatever they see supports a bias they have. A lot of these sources come from dark, dark holes where the intent is to sow confusion/doubt and discord. There may be multiple reasons for that, some worse than others.
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On the education front it comes down to a couple of things from what I have seen:

Back in middle and high school we were taught science and math and most people thought when will I ever use that in real life.... well in this context remembering some of the biology and math pays dividends in understanding the basics. A fun/funny example (chemistry this time) of this is the reoccurring dihydrogen monoxide freak-outs by Karens, they are putting it in everything these days.

The bigger issue is the concept (or lack there of) of critical thinking. That is where a lot of the reductionist math and science gains a foothold. Ruller is flat, place ruler on the ground, ground is flat, ground is part of the earth, therefore the earth is flat. 5000 people had a bad reaction to the vaccine, vaccine bad...but 5000 out of 100M is 0.005% orders of magnitude less risk than not getting vaccinated, and the majority of those cases would have had worst reactions to the virus itself as the immune response caused the reaction (back to the paragraph above).

But again, my bigger concern is the impact it is having on people's mental health.
 
backmarkerducati said:
On the education front it comes down to a couple of things from what I have seen:

Back in middle and high school we were taught science and math and most people thought when will I ever use that in real life.... well in this context remembering some of the biology and math pays dividends in understanding the basics. A fun/funny example (chemistry this time) of this is the reoccurring dihydrogen monoxide freak-outs by Karens, they are putting it in everything these days.

The bigger issue is the concept (or lack there of) of critical thinking. That is where a lot of the reductionist math and science gains a foothold. Ruller is flat, place ruler on the ground, ground is flat, ground is part of the earth, therefore the earth is flat. 5000 people had a bad reaction to the vaccine, vaccine bad...but 5000 out of 100M is 0.005% orders of magnitude less risk than not getting vaccinated, and the majority of those cases would have had worst reactions to the virus itself as the immune response caused the reaction (back to the paragraph above).

But again, my bigger concern is the impact it is having on people's mental health.
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The critical thinking thing is huge.

100 experts who’s entire career has been spent on a particular topic and who have no political agenda have a consensus but one random guy with shouty YouTube videos selling obscure crap or health **** that tells you the opposite and you believe him. So this means one of two things:

1. The recognized experts are all wrong and random guy with zero qualifications has somehow figured out something science has missed.
2. You’re a deluded, gullible fool.

Questioning science is absolutely fine and how we change theories to fact through experiment and constant checking. What’s not fine is questioning science in a disingenuous manner where in the face of overwhelming evidence a person still clings to the “well, I still just don’t believe it sorry” and carries on sowing seeds of doubt where they can.

My own feelings are that the current state of social media allows nefarious people to undermine collective efforts to improve things and also allows some people to have a sense of power that they didn’t have before by attempting to influence events and actions in a contrary way. They get their 15 mins of fame by being the figurehead in some ****** Twitter thread about how vaccines make your wang drop off.
 
crankcall said:
I’m still wrapping my head around the Lisa Marie / micheal Jackson thing . She has 5 trips to rehab , that bed relationship must have triggered one of them .


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Yeah, that was kooky..
 
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