Censorship is telling him not to speak. Nobody is under any obligation to provide him a platform. If spotify wants him to leave, he should go somewhere else or make his own platform.
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It isn't about Joe Rogan
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Spotify just closed $100 million deal with him iirc, they aren't gonna give in to Neal Young pressure to cancel him. HOWEVER, other artists are starting to pull their catalogs and Spotify is on the hotseat because it's not just a music streaming platform anymore. If they are going to host content then they have an obligation to 'police it'. Rogan has apologized btw.
Don’t think I’ve ever listened to more than a few min of JRE in my life. But he’s an entertainer putting out content to drive his brand.
When did entertainers become beacons of knowledge and could wield such power? One thing I can’t stand is movie stars, rock stars and sports celebrities giving their 2 cents on anything.
You are paid to entertain, not to educate the masses. There’s a bigger problem here where people are listening to these people as experts on topics they have no training in.
He’s paid to drive traffic…this is what he does. Of course being controversial will bring more likes, streams and dollars….that’s the whole point.
When did entertainers become beacons of knowledge and could wield such power? One thing I can’t stand is movie stars, rock stars and sports celebrities giving their 2 cents on anything.
You are paid to entertain, not to educate the masses. There’s a bigger problem here where people are listening to these people as experts on topics they have no training in.
He’s paid to drive traffic…this is what he does. Of course being controversial will bring more likes, streams and dollars….that’s the whole point.
bigpoppa
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Hes filling an important niche, in the era of soundbites and tiktok videos, where mainstream tv news trust is at an all time low, here's a guy who entertains, and informs.
He's not an expert in anything(besides kickboxing and kettlebells) but he has interesting discussions, questions the narratives, and has conversations, sometimes with experts(Neil degrasse tyson), sometimes with clowns(Joey Diaz anyone?)
When communication and attention spans are getting shorter and shorter, here's a guy who's different and bucks the trend (successfully) by having long 3 hour conversations.
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It's a double edged sword. There's no questioning predators like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby needed to be held accountable.
Don't forget that there's another layer to this too, which is artists disliking Spotify to begin with due to their abysmal payouts. It definitely wouldn't be a difficult decision for Neil Young if it was completely up to him (which it wasn't)
Well that's a whole different issue. And the whole Joe Rogan controversy is a good springboard to walk away from a platform that you feel isn't treating (i.e.: paying) you properly.
I believe that Spotify pays miserably, but the likes of Neil Young are making good bank off those streams considering the sheer volume of their songs that are played.
Neil Young voted with his feet . His monthly payout sheets across the globe ( according to Randy Bachman who stayed at his house ) are in volume like a 70s phone book . He has always been politically charged , songs like Ohio, Alabama , southern man . He had an option and took it , others like him will follow .
He’s the last guy to fight freedom of speech, but I can guarantee he is opposed to spreading untruth. Rogan gets guests with controversy. Because it’s highly marketable.
No one would pay to listen to Dr. Tamm , regardless of what she said .
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He’s the last guy to fight freedom of speech, but I can guarantee he is opposed to spreading untruth. Rogan gets guests with controversy. Because it’s highly marketable.
No one would pay to listen to Dr. Tamm , regardless of what she said .
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Mad Mike
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He's just setting up a following. I think he might be setting up to take Trump's old job.
Nothing would surprise me any longer in politics.
Priller
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With the Rogan/Young thing, as usual, a whole bunch of issues are being conflated so that we're all having different conversations about the same thing.
Young has an issue specifically with what he sees as Rogan spreading misinformation about Covid vaccines. He has a number of health issues, as do his kids, so has strong opinions on that front. Young sees Spotify amplifying this, and paying Rogan handsomely to do so, and wants no part of it. That's entirely his prerogative, and not wanting to share a platform with someone whose views you vehemently disagree with is not censorship.
Spotify is a business, and it is up to them to weigh the benefits of paying Rogan. As usual, folks confuse private companies' choices around who they carry with censorship. If Spotify fires Rogan (not gonna happen, though he's already backtracking a bit), he still has a voice. He can still release podcasts to a massive audience. He just can't do it with Spotify's promotion. Censorship is when the government will arrest you for saying something, which is clearly not happening. On the contrary, half the Republican Party states much more extreme views on a near-constant basis.
On a personal level, I don't have much time for Spotify or Rogan. In a business that has successfully squashed small artists ability to earn and self-promote, Spotify is by far the worst offender, paying so little it's insane. Google is pretty bad, and Apple is less bad, but Spotify crushes them both when it comes to ripping off everyone but the mega-famous and making big profits in the process. (For the record, I will either buy my music from BandCamp or stream on Tidal. Costs me an extra $10/mo for the HiFi plan, but people put a lot of love and time into making their music, they should be paid to do so.)
As for Rogan, I had my fill of that kind of stuff in high school. You can only take so much of aliens and pyramids and conspiracies while packing another bowl, and he's put that "I'm just asking questions, man!" experience into meandering pseudo-intellectual recorded conversations. This has nothing to do with vaccines (my opinion on Rogan was held long before the latest kerfuffle), though I do find it telling that a guy who's so willing to go nuts on testosterone supplements and fringe miracle drugs/supplements spends so much time 'questioning' vaccines.
Young has an issue specifically with what he sees as Rogan spreading misinformation about Covid vaccines. He has a number of health issues, as do his kids, so has strong opinions on that front. Young sees Spotify amplifying this, and paying Rogan handsomely to do so, and wants no part of it. That's entirely his prerogative, and not wanting to share a platform with someone whose views you vehemently disagree with is not censorship.
Spotify is a business, and it is up to them to weigh the benefits of paying Rogan. As usual, folks confuse private companies' choices around who they carry with censorship. If Spotify fires Rogan (not gonna happen, though he's already backtracking a bit), he still has a voice. He can still release podcasts to a massive audience. He just can't do it with Spotify's promotion. Censorship is when the government will arrest you for saying something, which is clearly not happening. On the contrary, half the Republican Party states much more extreme views on a near-constant basis.
On a personal level, I don't have much time for Spotify or Rogan. In a business that has successfully squashed small artists ability to earn and self-promote, Spotify is by far the worst offender, paying so little it's insane. Google is pretty bad, and Apple is less bad, but Spotify crushes them both when it comes to ripping off everyone but the mega-famous and making big profits in the process. (For the record, I will either buy my music from BandCamp or stream on Tidal. Costs me an extra $10/mo for the HiFi plan, but people put a lot of love and time into making their music, they should be paid to do so.)
As for Rogan, I had my fill of that kind of stuff in high school. You can only take so much of aliens and pyramids and conspiracies while packing another bowl, and he's put that "I'm just asking questions, man!" experience into meandering pseudo-intellectual recorded conversations. This has nothing to do with vaccines (my opinion on Rogan was held long before the latest kerfuffle), though I do find it telling that a guy who's so willing to go nuts on testosterone supplements and fringe miracle drugs/supplements spends so much time 'questioning' vaccines.
Sochi
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I am a long time Joe Rogan fan and I see no point arguing about his work, but just wanted note that out of JRE supporters camp we have now MIT Professor Lex Fridman podcast branched out and slowly gaining his audience - worth checking out IMO.
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You have to be a natural born citizen to become POTUS, so no.
Mad Mike
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Isn't New Jersey in the USA?
Ah, I thought you were talking about Neil.
Mad Mike
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I don't think Neil is allowed into all 50 states.
Mad Mike
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What? I know dentists and men's clothiers are absent, but all the other good stuff is there.
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