Because stoppies yo!
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Is it necessary to get a 400cc motorcycle with abs?
- Thread starter LilTerry
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Never had abs on any of my bikes either.
Interestingly, when we were looking for a new Ninja 400 last winter to turn into a racebike, the non-abs model was a rare find.
Interestingly, when we were looking for a new Ninja 400 last winter to turn into a racebike, the non-abs model was a rare find.
I've done one stoppie, and it was on an ABS bike. What else ya' got?
Only reason I see to get a non-ABS version at this point is the price. If you can still find a smaller displacement / beginner bike without ABS they have usually been sitting in the showroom for a while. I bought a 2017 R3 in 2018 and they had a pile of the non-ABS versions marked down heavily. I ended up getting nearly $1k off just because it was a non-ABS. If you are paying sticker price ABS is usually +$300 on these bikes. Probably will pay for itself when you are looking to sell it down the road.
My only issue is the inability to toggle the ABS on/off easily. KTM seems to be the only manufacturer that offers this via the dash. Shouldn’t need to screw around with fuses if you want to turn it off.
My only issue is the inability to toggle the ABS on/off easily. KTM seems to be the only manufacturer that offers this via the dash. Shouldn’t need to screw around with fuses if you want to turn it off.
tell that to @Low rider
it's only the rear iirc.
Trials
Well-known member
Maybe it is just that I keep my motorcycles forever but imho
All ABS systems are going to throw a fault eventually, otherwise you must be totally awesome at preventative maintenance.
Who figures that pumping your brakes on and off gives you better control on a gravel road? <- good luck with that!
You want some safety on a gravel road, switch to radials.
All ABS systems are going to throw a fault eventually, otherwise you must be totally awesome at preventative maintenance.
Who figures that pumping your brakes on and off gives you better control on a gravel road? <- good luck with that!
You want some safety on a gravel road, switch to radials.
blackcamaro
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I’d buy the ABS bike even though I don’t care much either way if a bike has it or not. Resale makes it worth it and if it saves you one time from hitting the deck then it’s been more then worth it.
Personally I wish all bikes you could turn the rear off.
Personally I wish all bikes you could turn the rear off.
Mad Mike
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It's a bit of a double edged sword, on the sharp side the added safety is priceless should you ever need it. On the dullside, I've met several riders who have never learned to use dual brake systems -- god help them if they ever mount a non-ABS bike.
I have both ABS and Non Abs bikes, I can't recall the ABS ever kicking in, I can recall locking up my non-ABS bikes and doing the occasional unplanned stoppie in a couple of terrifying times.
If I was a learner I'd probably start in a =<300cc bike and forgo the ABS. Get 10,000km of learner experience using conventional controls, then If I decided I needed a bigger bike I'd get ABS for the peace of mind.
I have both ABS and Non Abs bikes, I can't recall the ABS ever kicking in, I can recall locking up my non-ABS bikes and doing the occasional unplanned stoppie in a couple of terrifying times.
If I was a learner I'd probably start in a =<300cc bike and forgo the ABS. Get 10,000km of learner experience using conventional controls, then If I decided I needed a bigger bike I'd get ABS for the peace of mind.
Trials,
I'm not clear on your point with regards to all ABS systems will ultimately have a fault code eventually. If your point is that the more complex a bike is , then there is a greater possibility of a technical malfunction over a similar bike without the tech. I do agree that if and when something needs repair, the costs will be more expensive. But saying all systems with ABS will produce a fault code doesn't make sense. It's like saying all bikes with fuel injection will eventually have injector fault codes. Hence why we should all go back to old tech and ride carbed bikes?
With regards to your point with using ABS on a gravel road. I don't have enough experience in these situations to know whether ABS is a benefit or not. I do know that in my example on a paved road with gravel on it. My ABS and traction control kicked in and most likely saved me from a potential drop.
I'm not clear on your point with regards to all ABS systems will ultimately have a fault code eventually. If your point is that the more complex a bike is , then there is a greater possibility of a technical malfunction over a similar bike without the tech. I do agree that if and when something needs repair, the costs will be more expensive. But saying all systems with ABS will produce a fault code doesn't make sense. It's like saying all bikes with fuel injection will eventually have injector fault codes. Hence why we should all go back to old tech and ride carbed bikes?
With regards to your point with using ABS on a gravel road. I don't have enough experience in these situations to know whether ABS is a benefit or not. I do know that in my example on a paved road with gravel on it. My ABS and traction control kicked in and most likely saved me from a potential drop.
Not sure who you are quoting, or if it is being taken out of context, because you refuse to quote properly. (Is there a reason why... dilligaff), but the biggest factor in motorcycle control is operator skill level. If the rider lacks skill, then any and all assistance is a good thing. Just sayin.
I've had approx 14 street bikes with my last one being the first with ABS. At approx 30k it threw a abs code and dealer couldn't locate the issue so they ended up replacing the entire abs system (sensors/rings/module) on warranty ($3400 worth btw). It took 2 dealer visits and a lot of dealer asking head office what to do.
ABS on it also kicked in far too early before lockup so at the time of the code issue I asked if they could simply turn the system off and not have a code displayed but they couldn't stop the code.
Nice to have option on a street bike for a new rider.
New technology? Shoot my 15 year old bike has ABS
However.....everyone seems to think that ABS means a good ABS system. This assumption is not necessarily true.
As a new rider you should be buying a used bike and not a new bike. This should be the base decision for you.
After this the benefit of having an ABS or not is an ancillary decision criteria for the used bike and its asking price.
New technology? Shoot my 15 year old bike has ABS
However.....everyone seems to think that ABS means a good ABS system. This assumption is not necessarily true.
As a new rider you should be buying a used bike and not a new bike. This should be the base decision for you.
After this the benefit of having an ABS or not is an ancillary decision criteria for the used bike and its asking price.
pray tell, which brand was it?
Trials
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Modern ABS has like 86 error codes!
everything from low tire pressure to popping a prolonged wheelie has a code it throws out.
Best news is unless it is a sensor fault they reset on there own once the problem goes away, until then it shuts down and becomes just a bunch of extra plumbing.
re: "My ABS and traction control kicked in and most likely saved me from a potential drop." <- Hold on here, ABS is brakes and traction control shuts down your throttle :|
I seriously doubt the ABS saved you from a crash unless you would have otherwise cranked the bars sideways and thrown it into a skid like the videos do. You stayed upright on a poor traction surface because you maintained balance
and you apparently didn't hit whatever it was you were braking for
Motorcycles slide real good! If you have good balance, throttle, clutch, brake & steering control.
and you can crash real easy without ever touching the brakes so at best the ABS will prevent you from ham fisting the front brake lever.
... nice board tracker
Victory. Everything else about the bike I must say was incredibly reliable and it was a great machine.
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