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The car owner might not have seen who did it if she was inside, but others outside may have. They would have no idea what instigated it. All they would see is that a rider went and did a ********* thing to a parked car for no apparent reason.

So much conjecture yet so little logic. Of course BMW Princess would've figured out who messed up her car. She may be a dumbass but still be somewhat sentient.
 
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If someone shot a gun at you, the fact that they missed doesn't make the act any less culpable. An eye for an eye has nothing to do with it.
Assuming their shot was not intentionally aimed at you, does that justify you shooting back at them to get payback?
 
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Vandalism is damage or destruction of property without any reason. There was a reason for the burnout. If drivers know there may be retribution against their wanton disregard for the safety of others, maybe there would be fewer altercations. It wasn't the cut-off itself, it was the piss-poor attitude the woman displayed towards almost colliding with another vehicle due to her inattention. If she apologized I am absolutely certain it would've been accepted with no hard feelings but she decided to escalate it another level of BS. Fighting BS with BS is fine in my books.

Vandalism, in response to a perceived slight, is still vandalism. It also will have little or no corrective effect on such patently vacant people, as the driver with whom the OP was dealing.
 
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turbo, I read and fully understand your point but I really need to challenge that a bit here as the OP approached the driver and called out the error.

At that point the driver had the opportunity to take ownership of the actions and at the very least offer an apology. In this case the driver showed no regard for the life and safety of the OP.

By the sounds of your posts, if you were called out, I think you would accept the responsibility, learn and mov e on. Or perhaps you would evaluate it to death and bore the **** out of them.

I agree the car owner should have taken ownership of the driving error when approached, but HOW did the OP approach the car driver? I can see that going any number of ways depending on anger level at the time, each of which would elicit a different kind of response from different people ranging from apologetic remorse to fear to dismissive "who is this raving lunatic"?
 
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Assuming their shot was not intentionally aimed at you, does that justify you shooting back at them to get payback?

You are just deviating now. I didn't say that would be justified. I am pointing out that you focused on the punishment has to be proportionate to the result. That assertion has been rejected many times by our laws.
 
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But it made the OP feel a whole lot better and the driver a whole lot worse. That's still a win.

The first could be temporary, with a whole lot a feeling worse later on while the latter is merely an assumption.
 
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EH...I understand why the OP did what he did but I think personally I'd have called the cops and told them I just witnessed an inebriated driver nearly cause an accident by swerving across the road, give them the plate number and location and hang around and watch the show for a bit. Calling the cops in front of the driver would have a good effect and afterwards if asked why you thought they were inebriated you could answer that no sober person would be driving like that surely.
 
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EH...I understand why the OP did what he did but I think personally I'd have called the cops and told them I just witnessed an inebriated driver nearly cause an accident by swerving across the road, give them the plate number and location and hang around and watch the show for a bit. Calling the cops in front of the driver would have a good effect and afterwards if asked why you thought they were inebriated you could answer that no sober person would be driving like that surely.

This I like!
 
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In the grand narrative of things, the paint damage will turn into an insurance claim. Because the claim will be under comprehensive coverage with minimal deductible, the car owner's will not be affected but there will be an incremental upward effect on the rates of others.

The car owner might not have seen who did it if she was inside, but others outside may have. They would have no idea what instigated it. All they would see is that a rider went and did a ********* thing to a parked car for no apparent reason. How that turns out to be a win for the image of motorcycle riders as a whole is beyond me.

The grand narrative of justice used to be an eye for an eye, in other words, the retributive penalty for a bad act should be proportional to and not be in excess of the actual harm caused by the bad act in question. So here we have a car damaged as penalty for what? A non-collision? Where is the proportionality or justice in that?

So you're saying that he should have directed the burnout on her instead of the car? Hmm that might work to.
 
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In the grand narrative of things, the paint damage will turn into an insurance claim. Because the claim will be under comprehensive coverage with minimal deductible, the car owner's will not be affected but there will be an incremental upward effect on the rates of others.

The car owner might not have seen who did it if she was inside, but others outside may have. They would have no idea what instigated it. All they would see is that a rider went and did a ********* thing to a parked car for no apparent reason. How that turns out to be a win for the image of motorcycle riders as a whole is beyond me.

The grand narrative of justice used to be an eye for an eye, in other words, the retributive penalty for a bad act should be proportional to and not be in excess of the actual harm caused by the bad act in question. So here we have a car damaged as penalty for what? A non-collision? Where is the proportionality or justice in that?

I hear you turbo, and you always make good points. There are systemic consequences for acting in your own interest and/or in the moment. But just take a deep breath and "feel" this one. It feels good :)

I get you in the abstract, but life isn't always abstract. The law, for example, pertaining to justice, is only an effective moderator when it works. Motorcyclists are victimized and almost killed in traffic every day. The cops do NOTHING, or next to nothing, when you attempt to contact them, if not laugh at you. The law is supposed to be punative, not only "just", and involves the resonable expectation of some degree of personal satisfaction on the part of the victim. So, if you receive no satisfaction from appealing to law and order, is that not itself a breakdown in the system justifying, or at least logically assuming, some degree of vigilantism? And if not, says who? The law in, and of itself, is just text. It's only valuable to the degree it can moderate justice and provide satisfaction to victims. Otherwise it is nothing other than bureaucratic formality. When this happens it is our everyday experience, not abstract models of interpretation that become our priority.

Simply stated, sometimes the world is about whats going on around you, in the moment. We defer to abstract models to interpret our world and guide our actions, but they are not perfect. When they fail, we still have the needs for which we instill those models to begin with (satisfaction, retribution). Hence, we do not want to be victimized in this manner, and we will seek out other means to express this if the authorities in charge dont deliver - or we will accept the role of perpetual victim. I think we are really dealing with a force of human nature and power differential more intrinsic to our experience of everyday life than the abstract concepts we wrap around our experience to interpret the world and guide us in moderating these impulses.

Lets rephrase in more severe terms. If someone killed your child, but got off on a technicality and was released, you have a choice, a) feel like a perpetual victim in a system that failed you, or b) take the law into your own hands and harm that person somehow. You might not because of fear of legal reprocussions, but would you be wrong to follow option b? Arent you just breaking the law in this instance? It is tautological to refer a miscarriage of justice back to the very legal system which is itself in question due to it's failure; The very same abstract systemic reasoning, the what-ifs and worse case predictions, the logical inferences etc... The precautionary system that failed to deliver what it promised, at the expense of certain civil liberties to act in the moment, on your own accord.

I'm just saying, to take the "higher ground" and refer to abstract or systemic reasoning when that very same abstract or systemic reasoning is intrinsically fallable due to the impossibility of realistic implematation, is to fail to see the trees through the forest. We are out there being victimized every day by criminally negligent cagers. Sometimes, if not always, it is as logically appropriate as not to react as if there is no law you can turn to, even if we are not in full consideration of the consquences. Life's pretention is the big picture, its reality is multiple little pictures - no less important to consider.

So, ipso facto, its is not always innapropriate to operate outside the law and make a cager eat gravel for a minute - even if it is not wholly justified by some rational system either.
 
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We are all human. The OP tried his best to reason with her, to no avail. Maybe next time daddy will think twice about lending his vehicle to precious airhead.

I approve of the OP's actions. Maybe not right, but certainly just.
 
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Bravo Buddhacide, bravo! I would vote this the best post I have read on GTAM since the day I joined and although I don't post often, I read much. Nicely said, now where the hell is that applause smiley?
 
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when we stopped...i was actually nice. just wanted to point out how she didnt see me at all , cause she didnt LOOK. most of the time they saiy omg i didnt see you im sorry, ill be more carefull next time. thats okay with me we all make mistakes.
i got mad when i talked about my kids and she said **** YOU.
 
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