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Importing a Motor Vehicle To Canada (the be all end all)

Excellent information! One more question though. I'm buying a brand new Yamaha. After the RIV inspection passes and all is good, do I need to get it saftied (certified) as well to get it plated? Even though it is new..
Thanks
 
If it is brand new you will get an MSO Manufactuers State of Origin form. You will NOT need to get a safety if you have that have that when you register the bike here in Ontario. The lady tried to tell me I needed one but she was wrong.


Excellent information! One more question though. I'm buying a brand new Yamaha. After the RIV inspection passes and all is good, do I need to get it saftied (certified) as well to get it plated? Even though it is new..
Thanks
 
If it is brand new you will get an MSO Manufactuers State of Origin form. You will NOT need to get a safety if you have that have that when you register the bike here in Ontario. The lady tried to tell me I needed one but she was wrong.

So if the bike is new you don't have to take it to Canadain Tire to have it inspected then, correct? TIA
 
So if the bike is new you don't have to take it to Canadain Tire to have it inspected then, correct? TIA


No you still need to do the RIV inspection at canadian tire but if the bike is brand new it does not need the safety inspection done. If you bring back a used bike you need to do both.
 
No you still need to do the RIV inspection at canadian tire but if the bike is brand new it does not need the safety inspection done. If you bring back a used bike you need to do both.

I just brought a bike back with clear title but I will use it for track only and not plated. Do I still have to have the inspection?
 
Here is my experience with brining a brand new bike across the border. This is not a step by step guide, it’s just all the steps that I did. If you want a real guide, please read and study this post repeatedly:

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=48430&highlight=import

In my opinion, that post should replace the current sticky as it is much better.


Start:

- I called around the States to get the best deal I could find on the bike I wanted. I found bike shops near the border using Google.

- Once I found a deal I couldn’t refuse, I put a deposit on the bike using a credit card.

- The dealer then faxed the Certificate of Origin along with the VIN# to the border.

** 2 Important NOTES **

1) Make sure the border you wish to cross at has a ‘US Vehicle

Export’ facility. Not all of them do!
2) Make sure you call them to verify they have your bike information and have had it for 3 days BEFORE you go pick up your bike. I showed up with my bike and they said they never got the fax. They will not let you leave your bike at the border, you will have to drive it back to the dealership. I had to drive the bike back to the dealership and try again in 3 days because the US Export said they never got the fax the dealer sent. CALL THE USA VEHICLE EXPORT to confirm they have your info! If they don't have it for at least 72 hours, you are not getting the bike into Canada.

- I got a certified bank draft for the remaining balance on the bike.

- I called U-haul to rent a motorcycle trailer. It costs $16.90 and is well worth it. It wasn’t too pleasant dealing with the people behind the desk, but the people working outside were great and explained everything I needed and helped me out a lot. Note: Not all U-haul locations will have a motorcycle trailer. You will need to call around.

- I drove down to the States to pick up the bike.

- I drove back to the border with my bike, pulled over before crossing into Canada and headed for the US Vehicle Export office. I showed them the Certificate of Origin and after putting up with the usual US border attitude and rudeness, they will stamp it. I had someone come out to check that the VIN on the bike matched the VIN on the certificate.

- When crossing into Canada, I declared my bike and got a yellow piece of paper. I was hassled a bit about the price because I got a really good deal, but they are generally very polite. A far cry from the Americans I had just dealt with. ;)

- They requested my Certificate of Origin, sales receipt and driver’s license. They gave me Form 1 to fill out. If you need any help, they have someone standing there just to help answer questions. Note: One thing you need to know is the date the bike was made. It is not the same as the date on the certificate. The date the bike was made is located somewhere on your bike. I couldn't find mine, so they sent someone out to show me where it was.

- When Form 1 is filled out I was sent over to the cashier where I paid the GST. I paid with VISA and they sent me on my marry way.

- When I got home, I visited the RIV web site to pay the RIV fee, $203. https://www.livingstonintl.com/rivpayment/html/enter.cfm

- In 5 business days, I was E-mailed Form 2. I printed out this form.

- I brought the bike and Form 1 and Form 2 to a federal inspection center. Luckily I have a Canadian Tire right across my street, so I didn't have to push her far.

- At Canadian Tire, I got both my forms stamped.

- Off to the Ministry of Transportation to get some plates.

- I handed over Form 1 and my Certificate of Origin was replaced with an ‘Application for Vehicle Transfer’ form.

- I filled in another form and where it asks about your insurance, I just entered in some random numbers since I didn’t have insurance yet. They didn't even check what I wrote in there.

- I then got dinged for the PST and for the sticker, but at last I had brand new plates. woot! I was so happy about the plates, I didn't really feel like the pain of paying the 8% PST.

- Now it was time to get some insurance. Shop around! I got quotes ranging from $5,600 a year to $804 a year. The deal you get depends on the time you want to spend shopping around. If you want to save some time, I would recommend starting with either State Farm or Riders Plus. From my research, nobody else can compete with their quotes.

Finished! :D



I bought my bike for $4500 USD ($4600 CND out the door) + tax (8% PST + 5% GST) + $203 (RIV fee) + $100 gas + $16.90 Uhaul + $10.50 USA road tolls = $5528.40 CND

Canadian MSRP $6899 + (8% PST + 5% GST) = 7795.87 (NOT including deal and scam fees)

A few hours work for a total savings of $2267.47.

Was it easy? If I had studied the link I posted instead of this sticky, it would have been much easier.

Would I do it again? Absolutely!



Happy riding guys!
 
You guys do realize that the orignal sticky is over 3 years old? Apart from the RIV fee going up the sticky still is the general procedure on how to import.;)
 
You guys do realize that the orignal sticky is over 3 years old? Apart from the RIV fee going up the sticky still is the general procedure on how to import.;)

My experience was different than mjavor but was a private sale on a used bike. Where you buy your bike, where you export / import and a number of conditions make each transaction slightly different but the original rules still apply.

While the original advice given is good it has become contaminated by irrelevant side topics and repeat questions. Possibly it should be edited and locked.

As you state, the the post is 3 years old. If someone hasn't figured it out by now maybe they're to dumb to own a bike. mjavor saved over 2G and I saved double that. It was worth the time in research. I think there are too many mamma's boys on the site that expect mamma to hand them everything on a silver platter.
 
My experience was different than mjavor but was a private sale on a used bike. Where you buy your bike, where you export / import and a number of conditions make each transaction slightly different but the original rules still apply.

While the original advice given is good it has become contaminated by irrelevant side topics and repeat questions. Possibly it should be edited and locked.

As you state, the the post is 3 years old. If someone hasn't figured it out by now maybe they're to dumb to own a bike. mjavor saved over 2G and I saved double that. It was worth the time in research. I think there are too many mamma's boys on the site that expect mamma to hand them everything on a silver platter.


I agree 100% If only the mods would give me the power to edit some of the crap that has made this post 40+ pages.:p
 
Thought i would add this little piece of info as well

My firend had a car shipped from utah to Buffalo. We then went down and picked it up and crossed on the private side. They asked us how much for the car, and how much was shipping. The car was $3500, shipping was $900.

On his yellow slip they put that info.

When he went to pay taxes and duties (made in Japan) they added the $900 to the price of the car. Saying it was taxable for both GST and import duties.
We knew she was wrong but what are you going to do. After arguing, he had to pay.

After doing some research, we where right

You pay tax on
"the cost of transportation of, the loading, unloading and handling
charges and other charges and expenses associated with the
transportation of, and the cost of insurance relating to the
transportation of, the goods from the place within the country of
export from which the goods are shipped directly to Canada"

So you only pay tax on the shipping charge from Buffalo into Canada, since there was no charge we should ahve said "nothing" when asked about a shipping charge

Incase you are ever in the same boat, tell them to look up
Section 48, subsection 5, part 6


He is now applying for a refund
 
Okay I'm not seeing that can you provide a link? I don't know maybe my reading comp skills are different than yours but I'm not getting what you got from reading that section.
 
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Never mind. Found it! I've highlighted the portion relating... I'm not seeing what you quoted.

Transaction value as primary basis of appraisal

48. (1) Subject to subsections (6) and (7), the value for duty of goods is the transaction value of the goods if the goods are sold for export to Canada to a purchaser in Canada and the price paid or payable for the goods can be determined and if

(a) there are no restrictions respecting the disposition or use of the goods by the purchaser thereof, other than restrictions that

(i) are imposed by law,

(ii) limit the geographical area in which the goods may be resold, or

(iii) do not substantially affect the value of the goods;


(b) the sale of the goods by the vendor to the purchaser or the price paid or payable for the goods is not subject to some condition or consideration, with respect to the goods, in respect of which a value cannot be determined;

(c) where any part of the proceeds of any subsequent resale, disposal or use of the goods by the purchaser thereof is to accrue, directly or indirectly, to the vendor, the price paid or payable for the goods includes the value of that part of the proceeds or such price is adjusted in accordance with subparagraph (5)(a)(v); and

(d) the purchaser and the vendor of the goods are not related to each other at the time the goods are sold for export or, where the purchaser and the vendor are related to each other at that time,

(i) their relationship did not influence the price paid or payable for the goods, or

(ii) the importer of the goods demonstrates that the transaction value of the goods meets the requirement set out in subsection (3).


Procedure in application of paragraph (1)(d)

(2) In the application of paragraph (1)(d), where the purchaser and the vendor of goods being appraised are related to each other at the time the goods are sold for export and the officer who is appraising the value for duty of the goods has grounds to believe that the requirement set out in subparagraph (1)(d)(i) is not met, the officer shall notify the importer of the goods of such grounds and, on the written request of the importer, the notification shall be in writing.
Requirement for accepting transaction value where purchaser and vendor related

(3) For the purposes of subparagraph (1)(d)(ii), the transaction value of goods being appraised shall, taking into consideration any relevant factors including, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, such factors and differences as may be prescribed, closely approximate one of the following values that is in respect of identical goods or similar goods exported at the same or substantially the same time as the goods being appraised and is the value for duty of the goods to which it relates:
(a) the transaction value of identical goods or similar goods in a sale of those goods for export to Canada between a vendor and purchaser who are not related to each other at the time of the sale;

(b) the deductive value of identical goods or similar goods; or

(c) the computed value of identical goods or similar goods.

Determination of transaction value

(4) The transaction value of goods shall be determined by ascertaining the price paid or payable for the goods when the goods are sold for export to Canada and adjusting the price paid or payable in accordance with subsection (5).
Adjustment of price paid or payable

(5) The price paid or payable in the sale of goods for export to Canada shall be adjusted
(a) by adding thereto amounts, to the extent that each such amount is not already included in the price paid or payable for the goods, equal to

(i) commissions and brokerage in respect of the goods incurred by the purchaser thereof, other than fees paid or payable by the purchaser to his agent for the service of representing the purchaser abroad in respect of the sale,

(ii) the packing costs and charges incurred by the purchaser in respect of the goods, including the cost of cartons, cases and other containers and coverings that are treated for customs purposes as being part of the imported goods and all expenses of packing incident to placing the goods in the condition in which they are shipped to Canada,

(iii) the value of any of the following goods and services, determined in the manner prescribed, that are supplied, directly or indirectly, by the purchaser of the goods free of charge or at a reduced cost for use in connection with the production and sale for export of the imported goods, apportioned to the imported goods in a reasonable manner and in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles:


(A) materials, components, parts and other goods incorporated in the imported goods,

(B) tools, dies, moulds and other goods utilized in the production of the imported goods,

(C) any materials consumed in the production of the imported goods, and

(D) engineering, development work, art work, design work, plans and sketches undertaken elsewhere than in Canada and necessary for the production of the imported goods,

(iv) royalties and licence fees, including payments for patents, trade-marks and copyrights, in respect of the goods that the purchaser of the goods must pay, directly or indirectly, as a condition of the sale of the goods for export to Canada, exclusive of charges for the right to reproduce the goods in Canada,

(v) the value of any part of the proceeds of any subsequent resale, disposal or use of the goods by the purchaser thereof that accrues or is to accrue, directly or indirectly, to the vendor, and

(vi) the cost of transportation of, the loading, unloading and handling charges and other charges and expenses associated with the transportation of, and the cost of insurance relating to the transportation of, the goods to the place within the country of export from which the goods are shipped directly to Canada;


(b) by deducting therefrom amounts, to the extent that each such amount is included in the price paid or payable for the goods, equal to

(i) the cost of transportation of, the loading, unloading and handling charges and other charges and expenses associated with the transportation of, and the cost of insurance relating to the transportation of, the goods from the place within the country of export from which the goods are shipped directly to Canada, and

(ii) any of the following costs, charges or expenses if the cost, charge or expense is identified separately from the price paid or payable for the goods:

(A) any reasonable cost, charge or expense that is incurred for the construction, erection, assembly or maintenance of, or technical assistance provided in respect of, the goods after the goods are imported, and

(B) any duties and taxes paid or payable by reason of the importation of the goods or sale of the goods in Canada, including, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, any duties or taxes levied on the goods under the Customs Tariff, the Excise Act, 2001, the Excise Tax Act, the Special Import Measures Act or any other law relating to customs; and


(c) by disregarding any rebate of, or other decrease in, the price paid or payable for the goods that is effected after the goods are imported.

Effect of absence of sufficient information

(6) Where there is not sufficient information to determine any of the amounts required to be added to the price paid or payable in respect of any goods being appraised, the value for duty of the goods shall not be appraised under this section.
Where information inaccurate

(7) Where an officer who is appraising the value for duty of goods believes on reasonable grounds that the information submitted in support of the transaction value of the goods as determined under subsection (4) is inaccurate, the officer shall determine, in accordance with the prescribed procedure, that the value for duty of the goods shall not be appraised under this section.
R.S., 1985, c. 1 (2nd Supp.), s. 48; 1994, c. 47, s. 71; 1995, c. 41, s. 18; 2002, c. 22, s. 336.
 
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right here.
I think i have it right. Section 48, subsection 5 part 6

48. (1) Subject to subsections (6) and (7), the value for duty of goods is the transaction value of the goods if the goods are sold for export to Canada to a purchaser in Canada and the price paid or payable for the goods can be determined and if
(a) there are no restrictions respecting the disposition or use of the goods by the purchaser thereof, other than restrictions that

(i) are imposed by law,

(ii) limit the geographical area in which the goods may be resold, or

(iii) do not substantially affect the value of the goods;


(b) the sale of the goods by the vendor to the purchaser or the price paid or payable for the goods is not subject to some condition or consideration, with respect to the goods, in respect of which a value cannot be determined;

(c) where any part of the proceeds of any subsequent resale, disposal or use of the goods by the purchaser thereof is to accrue, directly or indirectly, to the vendor, the price paid or payable for the goods includes the value of that part of the proceeds or such price is adjusted in accordance with subparagraph (5)(a)(v); and

(d) the purchaser and the vendor of the goods are not related to each other at the time the goods are sold for export or, where the purchaser and the vendor are related to each other at that time,

(i) their relationship did not influence the price paid or payable for the goods, or

(ii) the importer of the goods demonstrates that the transaction value of the goods meets the requirement set out in subsection (3).


Procedure in application of paragraph (1)(d)
(2) In the application of paragraph (1)(d), where the purchaser and the vendor of goods being appraised are related to each other at the time the goods are sold for export and the officer who is appraising the value for duty of the goods has grounds to believe that the requirement set out in subparagraph (1)(d)(i) is not met, the officer shall notify the importer of the goods of such grounds and, on the written request of the importer, the notification shall be in writing.
Requirement for accepting transaction value where purchaser and vendor related
(3) For the purposes of subparagraph (1)(d)(ii), the transaction value of goods being appraised shall, taking into consideration any relevant factors including, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, such factors and differences as may be prescribed, closely approximate one of the following values that is in respect of identical goods or similar goods exported at the same or substantially the same time as the goods being appraised and is the value for duty of the goods to which it relates:
(a) the transaction value of identical goods or similar goods in a sale of those goods for export to Canada between a vendor and purchaser who are not related to each other at the time of the sale;

(b) the deductive value of identical goods or similar goods; or

(c) the computed value of identical goods or similar goods.

Determination of transaction value
(4) The transaction value of goods shall be determined by ascertaining the price paid or payable for the goods when the goods are sold for export to Canada and adjusting the price paid or payable in accordance with subsection (5).
Adjustment of price paid or payable
(5) The price paid or payable in the sale of goods for export to Canada shall be adjusted
(a) by adding thereto amounts, to the extent that each such amount is not already included in the price paid or payable for the goods, equal to

(i) commissions and brokerage in respect of the goods incurred by the purchaser thereof, other than fees paid or payable by the purchaser to his agent for the service of representing the purchaser abroad in respect of the sale,

(ii) the packing costs and charges incurred by the purchaser in respect of the goods, including the cost of cartons, cases and other containers and coverings that are treated for customs purposes as being part of the imported goods and all expenses of packing incident to placing the goods in the condition in which they are shipped to Canada,

(iii) the value of any of the following goods and services, determined in the manner prescribed, that are supplied, directly or indirectly, by the purchaser of the goods free of charge or at a reduced cost for use in connection with the production and sale for export of the imported goods, apportioned to the imported goods in a reasonable manner and in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles:

(A) materials, components, parts and other goods incorporated in the imported goods,

(B) tools, dies, moulds and other goods utilized in the production of the imported goods,

(C) any materials consumed in the production of the imported goods, and

(D) engineering, development work, art work, design work, plans and sketches undertaken elsewhere than in Canada and necessary for the production of the imported goods,

(iv) royalties and licence fees, including payments for patents, trade-marks and copyrights, in respect of the goods that the purchaser of the goods must pay, directly or indirectly, as a condition of the sale of the goods for export to Canada, exclusive of charges for the right to reproduce the goods in Canada,

(v) the value of any part of the proceeds of any subsequent resale, disposal or use of the goods by the purchaser thereof that accrues or is to accrue, directly or indirectly, to the vendor, and

(vi) the cost of transportation of, the loading, unloading and handling charges and other charges and expenses associated with the transportation of, and the cost of insurance relating to the transportation of, the goods to the place within the country of export from which the goods are shipped directly to Canada;
 
Okay but if you read the whole thing (not just the highlighted section you have) it doesn't say what you are talking about. Infact the way I read it you are supposed to adjust (add) the shipping cost. (read my highlighted/underlined section and yours together).

Then again I'm no lawyer so good luck with your appeal.
 
if the car got shipped direct to canada, i;d agree with you on paying GST on the shipping, but NOT duty.

But the car was shipped within the US, then we brought it over the boarder. So there should be no GST paid on shipping

I'll let you know what refund he gets back
 
if the car got shipped direct to canada, i;d agree with you on paying GST on the shipping, but NOT duty.

But the car was shipped within the US, then we brought it over the boarder. So there should be no GST paid on shipping

I'll let you know what refund he gets back

ahahahah.... I get what you are saying...and yeah I agree.
 
Okay, I have read every single page on this thread and it did get a bit confusing at times with different information. Especially with dealing with US custom side. Here is my situation, I have purchased a used 2007 Yamaha R1 from Iowa. Can I get away from the giving US custom side 72hr notice and just go to Canadian side? I only ask this because of the posts referring to Canada customs not enforcing USA rules.
 

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