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eastcoast_gsx said:
While I tend to agree... all the info they may have at the time is that "some has a gun"... And next to the Eaton center, I could see why they would err on the side of caution. Granted, once the situation was established, I can see a drawdown of force, but rolling in without much info... I dunno.

I would fully expect to be subject to a pretty amped up initial contact.
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Believe it or not, a person in this country is still allowed to have a gun without being a dangerous criminal :eek: Actually a law-abiding gun owner is way less likely to commit a criminal offense than a law enforcement officer :cool: What you are saying is that every time a person is reported to be riding a motorcycle, they should be taken out hard because they might be angry 1%ers and we must err on the side of caution :cool:

The other concern you're not addressing is that there is a high likelihood that a law-abiding gun owner is highly likely to get charged with a criminal offense under such circumstances even though he did nothing wrong. This isn't an HTA offense that costs $500 to defend. Drunk driving runs in the $10,000 ballpark. You can imagine how much a firearm offense would cost.
 
Sabex said:
In Ontario the blades have to be a specific length or shorter, depending on the type of blade, and can not be automatic (must unsheathe manually. So no gravity, butterfly, spring loaded, etc knives.) I'm a little too lazy to look it up right now though...
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While you're right about "assisted", by gravity, spring, etc... there is no limit on length of blade. And it has nothing to do with Ontario, it is all with the Criminal Code of Canada.

FiReSTaRT said:
Actually a law-abiding gun owner is way less likely to commit a criminal offense than a law enforcement officer

The other concern you're not addressing is that there is a high likelihood that a law-abiding gun owner is highly likely to get charged with a criminal offense under such circumstances even though he did nothing wrong.
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Your bias has always been obvious but you're making some pretty broad statements here. If there's no criminal offense then there's simply no charge to be laid or to defend against. Have you got some way to back up your statements or are you just talking out of your a s s?
 
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FiReSTaRT said:
Believe it or not, a person in this country is still allowed to have a gun without being a dangerous criminal :eek: Actually a law-abiding gun owner is way less likely to commit a criminal offense than a law enforcement officer :cool: What you are saying is that every time a person is reported to be riding a motorcycle, they should be taken out hard because they might be angry 1%ers and we must err on the side of caution :cool:

The other concern you're not addressing is that there is a high likelihood that a law-abiding gun owner is highly likely to get charged with a criminal offense under such circumstances even though he did nothing wrong. This isn't an HTA offense that costs $500 to defend. Drunk driving runs in the $10,000 ballpark. You can imagine how much a firearm offense would cost.
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A - I am an active hunter, I grew up in the woods. I have hunted and shot Bear, Moose, Caribou, Rabbits (mostly snares), and all sort of shore birds and migratory birds...

B - All comes down to responsible gun ownership, I would/have driven around with unloaded guns visible in the vehicle while I am actively hunting... But I would never entertain the idea of doing that inside a large urban center (where is my opportunity for hunting in TO?) Thats called being a responsible gun owner, and I would guess 99% of responsible gun owners would do the same.

Now you can argue that as a country we are becoming too sensitive about gun ownership (and I would tend to agree), but being from where I am from, I could not put myself in the mindset of the regular urban joe who has not experienced these things. Do I hold it against them... no, would I expect them to hold it against me... no. Would I drive around TO with a gun in plain view just for the fun of it... NO.

And as for your second point, the way I conduct myself when it comes to handling guns, the likelyhood of having to defend against such a charge would be minuscule... Just as I wouldn't walk across on a green crosswalk if there was a car bearing down, just because I have a green and the car has a red...
 
so the driver gets out of his vehicle...ah vehicular abandonment on a public roadway...and assuming he's just a suit, aren't those batons illegal for regular citizens to carry? as for people with the road rage going, you just never know what type of day they have had...fun times...
 
eastcoast_gsx said:
B - All comes down to responsible gun ownership, I would/have driven around with unloaded guns visible in the vehicle while I am actively hunting... But I would never entertain the idea of doing that inside a large urban center (where is my opportunity for hunting in TO?) Thats called being a responsible gun owner, and I would guess 99% of responsible gun owners would do the same.
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Are you saying that different parts of Canada have different federal transport regs? Bottom line, why should a person face any charges without breaking the law? I could be driving that rifle over to a gunsmith or to the store so I can pick up a scope and get it boresighted, to save a few rounds and a bit of time at the range. The only reason it's not a smart practice is that we allow for the cops to get away with too much without suffering any negative consequences.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
Are you saying that different parts of Canada have different federal transport regs? Bottom line, why should a person face any charges without breaking the law? I could be driving that rifle over to a gunsmith or to the store so I can pick up a scope and get it boresighted, to save a few rounds and a bit of time at the range. The only reason it's not a smart practice is that we allow for the cops to get away with too much without suffering any negative consequences.
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What? No I am not saying that at all... And if you remember correctly, it has ALWAYS been advisable to keep firearms out of site (and especially so when vehicle unattended, even moreso with restricted weapons)

Not sure what your driving at here... but the regulations are there to prevent misuse and theft (a real firearms problem)

Summary Sheet
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/storage-entreposage-eng.htm

Full regs...
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-4.html#h-8

For me it is pretty damn simple, not sure what your argument is here...

I am not saying they SHOULD face charges... but common sense goes along ways when it comes to this topic...

PS: Do you take your guns to the gunsmith on the dash of your car... highly doubtfull.
 
What has been advisable should have zero bearing on the application of the law if it's not being broken. I personally case all of my firearms, whether they're restricted or non-restricted, but that's more for theft prevention. With that being said, I don't see why one should face any penalties as long as they're compliant with the law. I'm against advocating keeping firearm ownership in the closet. It marginalizes the law abiding community, hindering any lobbying efforts and giving too much power to the police when it comes to expecting for the firearm owners to go unreasonable lengths above and beyond strict legal compliance. The laws are bad enough the way it is.
 
coyo said:
While you're right about "assisted", by gravity, spring, etc... there is no limit on length of blade. And it has nothing to do with Ontario, it is all with the Criminal Code of Canada.
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My bad, I remember reading somewhere when I was researching years ago, can't remember what website I was looking at. I thought it was one of the government ones...

I always carry a small pocket knife in case I need to cut some rope, cut open a package, cut tags off of clothes, etc, etc, etc. They really are a useful tool.
 
Sabex said:
My bad, I remember reading somewhere when I was researching years ago, can't remember what website I was looking at. I thought it was one of the government ones...

I always carry a small pocket knife in case I need to cut some rope, cut open a package, cut tags off of clothes, etc, etc, etc. They really are a useful tool.
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There is some regulations regarding lenght, i saw it somewhere.

I remember i pulled out a swiss army knife one day and u should see the look on a liberal's face. Priceless

Ive carried a pocket knife on me for 10 yrs, i havent stabbed anyone yet

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Oh wow, road rage at its best. Nobody gets hurt but the peacock shows its feathers to a jackal lol
 
RockerGuy said:
There is some regulations regarding lenght, i saw it somewhere.
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So it must be true?

I have searched high and low and have NEVER come up with anything regarding length. So if you want to make the statement that something exists, please don't be like the religious.... actually post some proof please.
 
imnothng said:
So it must be true?

I have searched high and low and have NEVER come up with anything regarding length. So if you want to make the statement that something exists, please don't be like the religious.... actually post some proof please.
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^^^ beat me to it.
 
My kid lives in a bad area of Ottawa. One night he's walking his dog carrying a bat. Cop pulls up and asks him what he's doing with the bat. '' Wouldn't you carry a bat at night in this neigbourhood?'' was his answer. Cop aggreed and drove away. Glad the cop had a sense of humor.
 
flightzed said:
My kid lives in a bad area of Ottawa. One night he's walking his dog carrying a bat. Cop pulls up and asks him what he's doing with the bat. '' Wouldn't you carry a bat at night in this neigbourhood?'' was his answer. Cop aggreed and drove away. Glad the cop had a sense of humor.
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Define bad area?
 
soto said:
Why not let the guy complete his turn in the first place instead of purposely blocking him? There will come a time when you might need to do the same thing and you'll complain about the ****** that wouldn't let you in.
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fastar1 said:
Yup. Seems like one of those "do as I say not as I do" type of deals.

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...udes-changed&p=1859611&viewfull=1#post1859611
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Traffic was bumper to bumper. If you know ottawa, 6pm on a friday down town by the Rideau mall... It's just as congested as Toronto down town at the same time. I left Bayshore mall at 4:50, and I didn't get to the rideau mall until 6:20, about a 10km trip.

Guy was pulling an ILLEGAL (yes, posted) u-turn in that kind of traffic. I had the green light through my intersection which I had entered, and if I didn't proceed through it, then it would be red as I sat in the middle of it... So I pulled through it to allow the cross traffic to flow. didn't see the BMW until I was halfway in the intersection because of the cars in front of me.

In traffic like that, and I had to go back the way I came, I wouldn't be a jerk and pull that stunt. I would either go around the block, or pull in to a parking lot, turn around and then get back on the road... So no, I would never be bitching that someone didn't let me in as I pulled an illegal u-turn in heavy traffic.
 
soto said:
Why not let the guy complete his turn in the first place instead of purposely blocking him? There will come a time when you might need to do the same thing and you'll complain about the ****** that wouldn't let you in.
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eastcoast_gsx said:
A - I am an active hunter, I grew up in the woods. I have hunted and shot Bear, Moose, Caribou, Rabbits (mostly snares), and all sort of shore birds and migratory birds...

B - All comes down to responsible gun ownership, I would/have driven around with unloaded guns visible in the vehicle while I am actively hunting... But I would never entertain the idea of doing that inside a large urban center (where is my opportunity for hunting in TO?) Thats called being a responsible gun owner, and I would guess 99% of responsible gun owners would do the same.

Now you can argue that as a country we are becoming too sensitive about gun ownership (and I would tend to agree), but being from where I am from, I could not put myself in the mindset of the regular urban joe who has not experienced these things. Do I hold it against them... no, would I expect them to hold it against me... no. Would I drive around TO with a gun in plain view just for the fun of it... NO.

And as for your second point, the way I conduct myself when it comes to handling guns, the likelyhood of having to defend against such a charge would be minuscule... Just as I wouldn't walk across on a green crosswalk if there was a car bearing down, just because I have a green and the car has a red...
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I have my gun in my truck fairly often. I hide it the best I can, and it is invisible from outside of the truck with where I put it. I do it so I don't freak out some hippie that freaks out, calls 911 and I get pulled over and harassed with some version of their story. I know after the cops harass me for a while that I would be let go, but why expose myself to that?

Sure, I'd love to drive around with my gun in a rack in the back window of my truck, but I don't even if it is legal. I don't hide it to anyone that I'm a gun owner.
I also keep it hidden the best I can as I transport it from the house in to the truck. A few reasons to do so. 1, so that some idiot doesn't see it and assume I'm loading up to do a drive by, and 2, so that nobody sees it, knows it is in the truck and attempts to steal it... Same thing as having my dirt bike in the bed of my truck. As soon as I get home, it gets put away and out of sight. The neighbors know I have it but I don't need the world to know.
 
If it drives like a deutsch and acts like a douche; then it has to be a bmw driver


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rmemedic said:
Traffic was bumper to bumper. If you know ottawa, 6pm on a friday down town by the Rideau mall... It's just as congested as Toronto down town at the same time. I left Bayshore mall at 4:50, and I didn't get to the rideau mall until 6:20, about a 10km trip.

Guy was pulling an ILLEGAL (yes, posted) u-turn in that kind of traffic. I had the green light through my intersection which I had entered, and if I didn't proceed through it, then it would be red as I sat in the middle of it... So I pulled through it to allow the cross traffic to flow. didn't see the BMW until I was halfway in the intersection because of the cars in front of me.

In traffic like that, and I had to go back the way I came, I wouldn't be a jerk and pull that stunt. I would either go around the block, or pull in to a parking lot, turn around and then get back on the road... So no, I would never be bitching that someone didn't let me in as I pulled an illegal u-turn in heavy traffic.
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In that case I agree, if you had to choose between blocking the guy doing an illegal u-turn versus blocking cross-traffic, you made the right call. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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