I do get where you're coming from, but you are trying to make it black and white and it just doesn't work. Fact is, this is Canada and 120 in a 100 is not only okay, it is the norm. The 100 km/h sign at the side of the highway is just there for show. I know in America you get shot at dawn for doing 3 mph over the limit. That is more black and white.
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Idiots lane splitting on the 401 E around Yonge tonight
- Thread starter ike
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I do get where you're coming from, but you are trying to make it black and white and it just doesn't work. Fact is, this is Canada and 120 in a 100 is not only okay, it is the norm. The 100 km/h sign at the side of the highway is just there for show. I know in America you get shot at dawn for doing 3 mph over the limit. That is more black and white.
You will find that most of those idiots as you call them, are trying to go around the real idiots driving 80 -100 in the fast lane.
Why don't I see people in this forum show indignation for those drives is beyond me.... maybe because each person should mind their own ****ing business
Roomie
Banned
I agree there. People that can't do 110 or more should get the eff off the highway to begin with. Nothing worse than some meathead sitting in the fast lane doing 95 :angry4:
tricky, you are right, it is not black and white, my point is the same as yours, just because someone is lane splitting does not mean it is not safe for them to do so just because it scared someone. We all have different skill levels as well as what we each feel is safe. My Point was who is anyone to judge the others if you do not know them, thier skill and comfort level.
I do not have any problem riding on the 401 at speed, my point was that there are people who do, some travel 100 and get scared when peope travel 130 and pass them. So should they be judging the OP? it is a matter of perspective and to come on a forum to make such a complaint seems trivial. I already stated I also do not do that, and think it makes others look bad in the eys of non riders, but that is no different than kids in fast cars weaving in and out of traffic either.
You are wrong. There is speeding, there is reckless driving and then there is careless driving. The law is not the law is not the law. There are degrees of breaches. I can't tell you how many times I've passed a radar trap doing 120. They do not stop me because I am not being reckless. They're are saving their time and energy for those who recklessly break the law. You are wrong when you say to break a law is to be reckless.
There is nothing wrong with what I wrote.
So according to that, those riders, because they feel they have better skills and are safe, are doing nothing wrong because it's "safe for them"?
WTF does that have to do with two jerk wads recklessly speeding and weaving on public roads? SWF, that's what.
If you're talking about using racing techniques on public roads as a display of "skill", you need to grow up before you cause some innocent person serious harm.
Well yes, you are just by trying to defend, no matter how weakly, the riders' antics mentioned in the op.
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Hwy driving can be like going to war- you never know where the bullet is coming from.
For your safety, drive this Japanese vehicle:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/JGSDF_APC_Type_96_at_JGSDF_Camp_Shimoshizu_02.jpg
For your safety, drive this Japanese vehicle:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/JGSDF_APC_Type_96_at_JGSDF_Camp_Shimoshizu_02.jpg
Roomie
Banned
If we get enough of us in that thing do you think it will corner? :lmao:
We'll be creating our own corners!
I've always wanted one of those. Forget lane splitting or traffic jams. Honk to warn people that you'll be going over their car!
conundrum
Well-known member
Didn't read the whole thread (there's been enough others like it though), but the one thing a lot of people in the 'let the rider do what they want, they'll only injure themselves' camp forget, is that a bike moving at 200km/h+ is a 200km/h 300-800lb kinetic missile. Should they hit a car changing lanes, the bike is likely going half-way through the car as it has crumple-zones and bikes do not.
Regarding this topic though, I can understanding filtering (up to a light) or even splitting at sub 30km/h, but the people who split above and beyond the limit on public roads need their heads examined. If not for themselves, but for the sake of the others out on the road. Also just because you can (aka 'have the skills') doesn't mean you should -- You don't see trained marksmen shooting up Yonge St. from their balconies because 'they are skilled enough to not actually hit a person', and I doubt you'd see Rossi or the like splitting at 200+ on public roads either.
Regarding this topic though, I can understanding filtering (up to a light) or even splitting at sub 30km/h, but the people who split above and beyond the limit on public roads need their heads examined. If not for themselves, but for the sake of the others out on the road. Also just because you can (aka 'have the skills') doesn't mean you should -- You don't see trained marksmen shooting up Yonge St. from their balconies because 'they are skilled enough to not actually hit a person', and I doubt you'd see Rossi or the like splitting at 200+ on public roads either.
I'm sorry but, despite the many things we have agreed upon in the past, you're dead wrong here. There are regulatory infractions, and then there are criminal charges. These things are no more equal than are the charges of J-Walking and manslaughter.
Iceman
Well-known member
We are all taught to ride in blocking position to keep cars from sharing our lane. That is for our own safety. But it's ok for us to intrude in their space? Can't wait to see these guys faces when I split two bikes with my dodge diesel! Don't worry, apparently it's ok because I have the skill to do so. The same $$$$heads that defend these stupid antics, would be completely ****** if a car does it to them! Grow up, show a little maturity and learn to ride responsibly.
Btw to the guys doing this, please please please post up picks of your road rash/injuries when you finally bite the bullet... So we can all have a good laugh! You get what you ask for IMO.
Ps Ike, I'd rather ride with you than them any day my friend!
Btw to the guys doing this, please please please post up picks of your road rash/injuries when you finally bite the bullet... So we can all have a good laugh! You get what you ask for IMO.
Ps Ike, I'd rather ride with you than them any day my friend!
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Rob, I understand and agree with what you are saying, maybe I missed my point here. I also agree, that Jay walking and manslaughter are not on the same level, My Question becomes Who decides what is Regulatory infractions and Criminal charges, Lane splitting could be charged as Illegal passing or with the great cover all law you have there it could be stunting. When does speeding go from being a regulatory offence to a criminal charge, at what speed?
I was riding home last week, towing my bike, was trying to stay with the flow of traffic on the V-max, running about 130 in the Express, and was still getting passed by cars doing 140 and above. I did not complain, a couple were little race type cars, young peole driving, weaving and working their way through traffic, differance between them and the bikes we are discussing? They are not small enough to get between the cars, but they sure made a lot of tight fast passes.
Also I see it mentioned that people go 120 all the time past speed traps and do no get stopped, so would they complain if they did get stopped, knowingfull well they are breaking a law even if it is just a regulatory infraction? And at what point does it not become ok to speed?
I think if you hit another vehicle doing 120 or 150 there is still goingto be some carnage. Who makes the call?
We have way o many of these threads. I feel that if we all took more time to do what is right in the first plae and set the good example we might have less problems to start with. 120 is ok today, tomorrow it might be 140. After all 120 was not always ok to get away with it right?
Don't get me started on HTA 172 and its misapplication. Lord only knows I've written about it enough for a lifetime, in the Law forum.
Generally speaking it rises from the level of a regulatory infraction to a criminal charge either when there are multiple compounding infractions that create a clear and obvious danger to the public, or if something actually happens as a result of those actions. I think that it's pretty plain that lane splitting at a significantly higher speed than surrounding traffic, that is also moving at a reasonable speed, makes it damned near impossible to react to the action of those around you, or for passenger vehicle drivers to even predict the presence of a motorcycle.
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You know, that's bloody comical when it's the many who are doing the same thing, and the few who are doing the unexpected and illegal thing. how about the people who are doing the wrong thing be the ones who change, eh?
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