ICE motorcycles, the end is near? | GTAMotorcycle.com

ICE motorcycles, the end is near?

Great News. But until you’ve got solid range, and the ability to charge / change battery packs on the fly how are these things going to gain traction.

I haven’t read the article but I think this is the second or third time this topic has come up.
 

"ACEM expects that the predominant share of the urban mobility powered two-wheeler market will be electric by 2030, with increasing spill overs on the whole motorcycle range towards 2050."​

How many of us will still be riding by 2050 ?
 
TK4 said:

"ACEM expects that the predominant share of the urban mobility powered two-wheeler market will be electric by 2030, with increasing spill overs on the whole motorcycle range towards 2050."​

How many of us will still be riding by 2050 ?
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if we go by that poll recently put out, grandkids would be the ones riding then.
 
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Canada and the US are absent from the list of countries planning on banning ice vehicles. Geography surely plays a large part in that difference. The EU countries are driving the development of the technology. I'm sure there will be incentives in North America to adopt electric and hybrid vehicles, especially in urban areas, but I'm thinking bans would be several generations away and will be supported by vehicles that have much better range than current vehicles do.
 
jeff96 said:
Canada and the US are absent from the list of countries planning on banning ice vehicles. Geography surely plays a large part in that difference. The EU countries are driving the development of the technology. I'm sure there will be incentives in North America to adopt electric and hybrid vehicles, especially in urban areas, but I'm thinking bans would be several generations away and will be supported by vehicles that have much better range than current vehicles do.
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Does that really matter when nobody is making them?
 
In the future, the ultra rich will own ICE and the poor/average joe will own EVs / fuel cell vehicles
 
jeff96 said:
Canada and the US are absent from the list of countries planning on banning ice vehicles. Geography surely plays a large part in that difference. The EU countries are driving the development of the technology. I'm sure there will be incentives in North America to adopt electric and hybrid vehicles, especially in urban areas, but I'm thinking bans would be several generations away and will be supported by vehicles that have much better range than current vehicles do.
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The biggest challenge with Canada, and I'm sure some scandinavian ones have this too, is the cold and snow. Battery life can drop to less than half, and deteriorate very fast. Self driving cars do not work in the snow, as the lines they use get covered by snow banks. Considering almost half a year is in snow, this is a big, big challenge. One Hydrogen can win easier.

I think they should first focus on making trucks and trains electric.
 
ScorpionT16 said:
The biggest challenge with Canada, and I'm sure some scandinavian ones have this too, is the cold and snow. Battery life can drop to less than half, and deteriorate very fast. Self driving cars do not work in the snow, as the lines they use get covered by snow banks. Considering almost half a year is in snow, this is a big, big challenge. One Hydrogen can win easier.

I think they should first focus on making trucks and trains electric.
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Half? I’ve seen up to 18% in a few reviews.
 
ScorpionT16 said:
Tesla and other electric car batteries lose 40% of their range in extremely cold weather: AAA

Maybe a bit less than half

www.caaquebec.com

Driving an electric vehicle in winter

Driving an electric car in winter: Our answers to your questions about range, heating, and efficiency.
www.caaquebec.com www.caaquebec.com

"On the coldest days, your car's range may initially show as 40 to 50 percent shorter,"
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Okay when heater is used (how much heat, how long, does this matter) and it was in a controlled environment, so not real world conditions.

I note Tesla is disputing these numbers and a few youtubers have treked across the US and not seen that large of a loss.
 
Evoex said:
Okay when heater is used (how much heat, how long, does this matter) and it was in a controlled environment, so not real world conditions.

I note Tesla is disputing these numbers and a few youtubers have treked across the US and not seen that large of a loss
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timtune said:
It depends on whether you have the heater running or not. Seriously.
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And don't people use a heater in the winter? - In the city all these will be fine, head into Canada's interior, or out west, or even further up north, and even 20% less range due to the cold, plus the added loss of the heater, adds up really quick. On top of that, some remote areas don't have places to wait hours to charge in winter time, while the driver sips a coffee at starbucks. I suspect people will have an EV as a daily, and a ICE as a hauler, for trips, and adventures
 
jeff96 said:
Canada and the US are absent from the list of countries planning on banning ice vehicles. Geography surely plays a large part in that difference. The EU countries are driving the development of the technology. I'm sure there will be incentives in North America to adopt electric and hybrid vehicles, especially in urban areas, but I'm thinking bans would be several generations away and will be supported by vehicles that have much better range than current vehicles do.
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South of us, that's because of who has been occupying the White House for four years leading up to a few months ago. California (free to set their own emission standards) is going it alone: Governor Newsom Announces California Will Phase Out Gasoline-Powered Cars & Drastically Reduce Demand for Fossil Fuel in California’s Fight Against Climate Change | California Governor

Quite a few other states duplicate California's emission standards.

There's no point selling one set of vehicles for half of the USA and another set of vehicles for the other half, although it wouldn't surprise me if that happens temporarily for a short period.

Quebec: Quebec to ban sale of new gasoline-powered cars from 2035

British Columbia: British Columbia passes emissions law banning sale of gas-powered cars by 2040

The practical reality is that auto manufacturers are all planning to switch over to electric for everything light-duty by somewhere in the 2030 to 2040 timeframe. Many of them have stated that they are stopping development on new combustion engines (i.e. whatever engines and powertrains that they have in production now, will be the ones they leave in production until the end). It's pretty likely that by the late 2020s, no new combustion-engine vehicles will be introduced to market (whatever's in production at that time, may carry over until the end of production)

We're already seeing the high-end, aspirational vehicles are making the switch.

It will work out fine.
 
I think the range and charge-time issues will be solved eventually.

I'm not going to be a luddite and cling on to the old ways. I'd like to own an electric motorcycle one day.

But I would really like to see the clutch lever and shifter remain, even if it's some kind of electronic-equivalent to modulate the power digitally. I feel like it gives me just a little bit more control over what the bike is doing.
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