ICE motorcycles, the end is near? | Page 2 | GTAMotorcycle.com

ICE motorcycles, the end is near?

Forum Sponsor
Lightcycle said:
I think the range and charge-time issues will be solved eventually.

I'm not going to be a luddite and cling on to the old ways. I'd like to own an electric motorcycle one day.

But I would really like to see the clutch lever and shifter remain, even if it's some kind of electronic-equivalent to modulate the power digitally. I feel like it gives me just a little bit more control over what the bike is doing.
Click to expand...
ride that rear brake son!
 
ScorpionT16 said:
The biggest challenge with Canada, and I'm sure some scandinavian ones have this too, is the cold and snow. Battery life can drop to less than half, and deteriorate very fast. Self driving cars do not work in the snow, as the lines they use get covered by snow banks. Considering almost half a year is in snow, this is a big, big challenge. One Hydrogen can win easier.

I think they should first focus on making trucks and trains electric.
Click to expand...
Haha. Have a small tank and webasto to heat the cabin and battery. It wouldn't burn much fuel and almost entirely eliminate the range penalty.
 
ICE are here to stay for the foreseeable future . Has there been a huge increase sales of battery powered cars that I missed . Where is the energy to power all these cars going to come from ?
 
pfbmgd said:
ICE are here to stay for the foreseeable future . Has there been a huge increase sales of battery powered cars that I missed . Where is the energy to power all these cars going to come from ?
Click to expand...
Existing power plants? When batteries are large enough, charging almost entirely off-peak is viable. We have tons of capacity and nothing to do with it in those periods.
 
GreyGhost said:
Rear brake doesn't stand a chance against EV torque.
Click to expand...
i'll take that bet.

i noted zero already limits the torque off the line so you don't flip the bike.

@anterabae can i demo your Zero someday for the kiddos? ?
 
Brian P said:
South of us, that's because of who has been occupying the White House for four years leading up to a few months ago. California (free to set their own emission standards) is going it alone: Governor Newsom Announces California Will Phase Out Gasoline-Powered Cars & Drastically Reduce Demand for Fossil Fuel in California’s Fight Against Climate Change | California Governor

Quite a few other states duplicate California's emission standards.

There's no point selling one set of vehicles for half of the USA and another set of vehicles for the other half, although it wouldn't surprise me if that happens temporarily for a short period.

Quebec: Quebec to ban sale of new gasoline-powered cars from 2035

British Columbia: British Columbia passes emissions law banning sale of gas-powered cars by 2040

The practical reality is that auto manufacturers are all planning to switch over to electric for everything light-duty by somewhere in the 2030 to 2040 timeframe. Many of them have stated that they are stopping development on new combustion engines (i.e. whatever engines and powertrains that they have in production now, will be the ones they leave in production until the end). It's pretty likely that by the late 2020s, no new combustion-engine vehicles will be introduced to market (whatever's in production at that time, may carry over until the end of production)

We're already seeing the high-end, aspirational vehicles are making the switch.

It will work out fine.
Click to expand...
You said it!

driving.ca

The 2023 Lyriq will lead Cadillac to its electric future

The luxury brand is moving into the future with this $70,000 SUV, on sale in September
driving.ca driving.ca
 
GreyGhost said:
Sometimes we pay them. We need to keep the plants spinning in case there is a demand spike.
Click to expand...
No we don't, we never pay them.
To bring green energy online, windmills and such, we guaranteed them over market rates to provide that energy. We also guaranteed them that we would buy no matter what.
So it's not that we are paying the States to take our power, we can only sell it to them at market rate, then we have to pay the green energy providers the difference.
Thanks Dalton......
 
Soulcatcher668 said:
No we don't, we never pay them.
To bring green energy online, windmills and such, we guaranteed them over market rates to provide that energy. We also guaranteed them that we would buy no matter what.
So it's not that we are paying the States to take our power, we can only sell it to them at market rate, then we have to pay the green energy providers the difference.
Thanks Dalton......
Click to expand...
It doesnt happen often but it does happen.

From ctv

Ontario Hydro customers paid the U.S and Quebec $1.5 million to take electricity out of the Ontario system on January 1, thanks to a strange twist of market factors.Jan. 24, 2011
 
GreyGhost said:
It doesnt happen often but it does happen.

From ctv

Ontario Hydro customers paid the U.S and Quebec $1.5 million to take electricity out of the Ontario system on January 1, thanks to a strange twist of market factors.Jan. 24, 2011
Click to expand...
Market rate would have to drop to negative for that to happen. Very rare, but I guess it could happen.

From that same article....

"Wind farm operators are paid for windy days whether their energy is used or not, which is why Ontario Hydro customers still pick up the bill."
 
Electric motorcycles sound awesome, and everyone here knows I'm a huge EV proponent, owning 2 of them. But they're just not realistic at all for the long distance riders. Not even close. If I wanted to get on my bike tomorrow and do a 750KM loop up through Algonquin and over to Ottawa and back etc etc, I'm screwed.

We need a major breakthrough on energy density before we can make this viable.
 
GreyGhost said:
Existing power plants? When batteries are large enough, charging almost entirely off-peak is viable. We have tons of capacity and nothing to do with it in those periods.
Click to expand...

Don't throw logic into the discussion in the face of old discounted stereotypical anti-EV talking points not even remotely based in reality!

Heresy, I say!
 
PrivatePilot said:
Electric motorcycles sound awesome, and everyone here knows I'm a huge EV proponent, owning 2 of them. But they're just not realistic at all for the long distance riders. Not even close. If I wanted to get on my bike tomorrow and do a 750KM loop up through Algonquin and over to Ottawa and back etc etc, I'm screwed.

We need a major breakthrough on energy density before we can make this viable.
Click to expand...
Or charging. Supercaps on the bike, supercaps at the station, basically hit it with a lightning bolt and be on your way in a similar timeframe to conventional fueling. You need the caps at the station as the grid wouldn't like those spikes.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom