I got my "invoices" for speeding :D

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N3WMAN said:
The main problem I have with speed camera's is they make you pay more attention to your speedometer than the road.
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Big problem with photo radar in Ontario was, when the general public saw a van on the side of the road they immediately jammed on the brakes fearing it had a camera on it.
 
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What??? You can't do both????? Back to school for you sonny.....lol....seriously????

Plus if they warn you there is one ahead.....you'd have to be an idiot to still speed in that area, wouldn't you???

Just saying....they make good sense like it or not...IMHO.

Next you are going to complain about the intersection cameras they have installed around the city?

OR, the private security cameras all over the place watching for little Johnny and his buddies stealling everything not nailed down! I know that I haven't had anyone walk up my driveway looking around after I installed cameras and warned people they were there! I'm wondering if just the sign would have been enough!!! DOH!!!
Cameras work, no doubt about it, plain and simple. it's only the people who want to break the law who are against then for one reason or another...imho.
 
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I'm in my 30's but yeah, I'll take self-driving cars over speed cameras any day of the week. The technology is already there and investing in integration with current infrastructure would pay off WAY more than in creating a surveillance society or giving the police more powers. Some benefits:
1) No more drunk drivers.. The car does the driving
2) Way less congestion - If the cars are able to calculate routes based on traffic flow, it evens out a lot more [of course for this to be a long-term solution, municipal governments would have to cooperate and stop building up areas with insufficient infrastructure.. I'm sure they'll do the right thing :rolleyes:]
3) Fewer road deaths and injuries
4) The number of asshats on the roads stays the same, but they lose their ability to negatively impact your movement :cool:
 
Willys said:
Cameras work, no doubt about it, plain and simple. it's only the people who want to break the law who are against then for one reason or another...imho.
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Cameras reduce speeding and tax people but they do nothing to improve traffic flow or safety for that matter
 
Willys said:
To continue on with the majority of the posters here.....why have any signs on the road at all????
Why not just a free for all....that will get rid of 90% of all cars in the first month....right?

Governments need to make money to keep this over priced world we live in up to our standards! Ever been to a place that doesn't get all of our benefits and actually see the difference in conditions? I bet most of you haven't. That doesn't mean Young st. either....lol

The majority of the posters here must sl in their teens or early twenties by the sounds of things......what a joke.!
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I hope you've finished the school and can read
if you can think on your own, even better
the experiment with removing speed limits in Montana proved: accidents rate and property damage drastically went down
wake up pal, signs are not about your safety, it is about your money
 
ross said:
I hope you've finished the school and can read
if you can think on your own, even better
the experiment with removing speed limits in Montana proved: accidents rate and property damage drastically went down
wake up pal, signs are not about your safety, it is about your money
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I'll sum it up: He's been on here for a week. 28 posts - 27 of them with a lure dangling at the end. It's not worth answering him with rational points.
 
Willys said:
I like the idea of speed cameras personly.......yes to the few million of us who do speed and drive/ride well over the limit will be ****** for a few months. But, they too will see the benefits of them. Yes I'm getting older and well maybe wiser, I doubt that part..lol., but I like the thought that everyone will be doing the limit safely hopefully and you won't get the soccer mom's, late for workers, or just the insistant people trying to zip past and infront of you just to make up 5 minutes on their way to where-ever they're supposed to be.
I'm in....slap them up on permanent posts like in England, post up signs to where they are, put them in vans, up granny's skirt for all I care as long as they are the final word, no court fights, you earned it you pay it. Period! IMHO...if your vehicle breaks the law you pay for it period! If you stupidly lent it to someone who you know is going to break the law by their driving habits or not, that's your problem! Take it up with them, not try and weasel your way out of it in court.
Pay up....move on...learn to respect the idea of the camera and what it is designed for. They work well in England and all over Europe....get over it. Please put them up here!

If you want to speed.....there is what is called track days!
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Willis no offense but shut the **** up.
 
Maybe instead of airbags, they should put a giant spike sticking out of the steering column.

I'm not sure how you'd do it for bikes as you tend to go up rather than forward, but I'm sure that something could be worked out.

I thought that on the autobahn, speeding is allowed upon it but not on the offramps. That might be where they got you.
 
Baggsy said:
Maybe instead of airbags, they should put a giant spike sticking out of the steering column.

I'm not sure how you'd do it for bikes as you tend to go up rather than forward, but I'm sure that something could be worked out.

I thought that on the autobahn, speeding is allowed upon it but not on the offramps. That might be where they got you.
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There are many areas on the autobahn that are speed limited, against common misconception
 
N3WMAN said:
The main problem I have with speed camera's is they make you pay more attention to your speedometer than the road.
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I actually did not pay much attention to my speedometer, I was looking at the scenery the whole time. Hence the bunch of speeding tickets... had I been watching it like a hawk I would have had no tickets. Oh well.
 
My problem with this is we are catering to the lowest common denominator.

Why not significantly increase the training and testing requirements first? My bet is we'd have much safer roads and could actually look at making the limits more reasonable instead of 60 km/h on a 4 lane divided stretch of road.

The next person sitting waiting to make a right that looks at me, waits, and then decides to go at the last minute is gonna get a facefull of honda civic, its getting really obnoxious.

My top three gripes about today's drivers:

-No idea how to gauge speed. If someones moving, you should know it.

-Lane discipline. If you're going to do 90 on the 401, get the **** in the right lane.

-Situational awareness. There's no reason for you to suddenly slam on the brakes and try to cross three lanes because you need to turn. There have been signs on the highway for the last 5km.
 
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ross said:
I hope you've finished the school and can read
if you can think on your own, even better
the experiment with removing speed limits in Montana proved: accidents rate and property damage drastically went down
wake up pal, signs are not about your safety, it is about your money
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You might want to look at the Montana thing again, not just in one year but over a span of years.

Speed limits were repealed in Dec 1995 and were not reinstated until the end of 1999. That's 4 years of no posted speed limit.

Prior to those 4 years, Montana together with most other US states was enjoying a steadily declining per vehicle mile travelled (VMT) fatality rate. When speed limits were tossed out in Montana, that rate started climbing again, while the rest of the US continued to decline. See PDF page 28 at http://www.mdt.mt.gov/publications/docs/brochures/safety/current_chsp.pdf , specifically "Chart III-1 Fatality Rate Montana versus US" for the 38-year trend lines for Montana and the rest of the US. The spike in Montana's trend line coinciding with the removal of the speed limit is fairly obvious.

There are also tables on the two pages before the chart mentioned above. From Tables III-1 and III-2, during the time of no speed limits the average number of Montana fatalities (2nd column) and injuries (3rd column) per 100 million VMT were as follows:
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1996  2.10      112
1997  2.84      115
1998  2.50      106
1999  2.25      107
Avg   2.4225    110

Speed limits were reimposed for year 2000. The fatalities per 100 VMT for year 2000 was 2.4 which was slightly more than the immediately preceding year, but less than the average for the previous 4 years with no speed limits.

Looking at the next 4 years with newly-imposed speed limits, the average for fatalities dropped slightly (around 4%) , and the average for injuries dropped significantly (about 19%).
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2001   2.30      90
2002   2.57      96
2003   2.40      88
2004   2.04      83
Avg    2.3275    89.25
Unlike your claim, apparently those signs were in fact about safety.

With respect to Ontario's signs and speed limits, while you can whine about how unreasonably low they are, they are in fact at or reasonable close to the average for the north-east part of the North American continent. Ontario also has the best per km driven traffic safety record in all of North America.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
I know.. Let's put 40km/h speed limits on the 401 and then have speed cameras every 200m!!!!!!
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+1 , yes and makes sure all revenues go to more cameras. For those who repeat are sent to prison to do work for the goverment to save the goverment more money to help buy even more cameras.
 
Baggsy said:
Maybe instead of airbags, they should put a giant spike sticking out of the steering column.

I'm not sure how you'd do it for bikes as you tend to go up rather than forward, but I'm sure that something could be worked out.

I thought that on the autobahn, speeding is allowed upon it but not on the offramps. That might be where they got you.
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lol, and what happens if another vehicle hits you out of no fault of your own...do they get charged with manslaughter?...the speed cameras were a pain on the highways because everyone would jump on their brakes, which was nice if you look ahead, you would get advanced warning of where they are...damn i miss driving around with my dads old camera flash, i would spot someone zipping along, hit the flash test button as they pass me, and watch them jump on the brakes, yeah, i was a turd...

i drive a manual, i'm well aware of my speed, automatics and the quietness of cars nowadays have caught me off guard...i find people who drive stick shift are far better drivers...
 
I was living out west in the USA when there were no "speed limits" in Montana ... I remember the daytime speedlimit sign as saying "prudent" ahaha

I set the cruise control on my car at 220kph and called it prudent :P
 
Here's one big problem with photo-radar in Ontario. They can't ticket a trailer so the big rigs can do what they please because the camera gets the rear plate. The big rigs also can't use the traditional passing lane in many places so they get stuck behind the cages with the cruise control set at 99 kph. Mr. Self-righteous won't move over so Mr. big rig rides his bumper, a disaster waiting to happen.

Anyone that thinks adding a device is a cure-all is simple minded. Driver skills are pathetic. Government greed is insatiable. Enforcement of laws other than speeding and DUI is virtually non-existant. The public attitude is self centered.
 
I'm not fishing here, just stating a sensible helpful solution for the problem being discussed. Just because you don't like it doesn't make me a troll....you guys are posting enough silly remarks without my help! Besides the only ones who don't like more regulations are the ones who break the ones we have in place now. The vehicles we drive ride now a days are capable of much higher faster off the line speeds than just a few years ago and thus are more dangerous to the driver/rider who can't control them. Yes they do have better handling and braking but unless you know how to utilize them you can get in more trouble than you can deal with. That is why the limits haven't been upped....no? Have you ever tried riding/driving at the speed limit and seen what happens? You get to where you're going a few minutes later, saved some fuel and get less stressed once you get used to most of us passing you all the time shaking their fists and screaming at you. I tried it for a while, kept to the exact speed limit when I first bought my economy fuel sniffing vehicle just to see how high a km I could squeeze from my 41 lt tank. 840 kms per tank. Loved it....but yes it was slow, increase the speed to 10 over and alls well, still slower than most but still non stressfull. It's also funny how you usually catch up to the speeders as they are caught more than likely to caught at the next traffic light.....sitting there trying to time the light for a quick get a way. Yes we have all done it.....and still do from time to time.

No lure intended just a comment.
 
Turbo and his relative posting in the same thread, great ..... is there anything else worse waiting for us?

Let me guess, you have a car tire mounted as a rear tire on your bike as well? Because that's what hypocrites preaching "speeding kills" in the name of safety usually do.

I just turned 18 the other day, whether it means anything or not ...
 
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Don't know who Turbo is but I take it you are trying to insult me...oh well.....lol
No car tire, I ride one of the slwest bike probably on this site, a garbage old KLR.....see, I'm am old fart now aren't I? A dual sport, damn....what else?..lol
I used to think like you young guys....been there done that sort of thing. Cost me my licence almost every year! No I didn't complain too much, I earned it and also enjoyed earning it. But it does get old after a while once the insurance boys catch up with you and your infractions. When I was a young lad...lol...we didn't have the huge ins. costs you guys are getting tagged with. Yep I'm old.
I have a som older than you.....even he has slowly realized that it easier and less costly to play by the rules....took a while like everyone else...but we all do......take a look who it is who is driving so slow, how old are they? I bet older than your parents?...lol Just like me. But push comes to shove, I bet I can still buy some points and get a ticket to policeman's ball.....oh....that too old of a saying for you too?...lol

We all get older and start to see the sence....it just takes a while that's all.......but it's fun getting there.....enjoy!
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