Hwy 400 wheelies 3 riders arrested
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Why have a stunt charge or any other charges for that matter when breaking any traffic rules is a dangerous operation of a motor vehicle in the eyes of the police and court system? IIRC HTA172 stunt or 50+ law carries a maximum penalty of 6 month in jail, all of these guys and the one who ran were done either way
Yes, the great bantario nanny state. Too many politicians and do-gooders want to ban everything. Fire crackers and pit bulls are two examples. The street racing law was based on an out right lie. Lower the BAC to .05 to cast a bigger net and generate more revenue for McGinty. Ontario, what a great safe province.
One MPP, Randy Hillier wants speed limits increased on 400 series highways
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/sh...llier-to-increase-series-400-speed-limit.html
I wonder if he has the backing of his fellow conservatives?
Someone please remind me why McGuinty got voted back in...
They should consider themselves lucky, I was charged and convicted of dangerous driving for doing a slow and controlled wheelie at 40km/h before the stunting charge existed. Now I am a convicted traffic criminal, and have a criminal record for it...I was looking at jail time, lost my lic for year, was on probation for months, had to pay $3000 for an actual lawyer, and make a $1000 charitable donation, as well as take a driver rehab coarse to get my lic back. And I also had to totally forget about getting any kind of insurance for 5 years... You know a stunting charge doesn't seem all that bad LOL
Because the standard for conviction on a dangerous operation charge is rather high. It usually involves a collision.
... and because you don't get any votes for saying that everything is fine, so politicians have to tell us that the Province is going to hell.
Very unlikely, given the presence of an idiot like Frank Klees. He's the ultimate nanny state politician AND a PC.
Because the voting public has the attention span of a goldfish and can't tell when someone is lying, even when he contradicts himself in the same speech.
stupid move for sure, but why cant we just have a to each their own attitude...they didnt endanger anyone so who the **** cares...
just got back from a quebec tour, it was ****in amazing.
cars moved out of our way without hesitation, never got dirty looks for passing properly on a broken yellow line, **** about every corner had a passing lane and signs saying "stay to right unless passing", it was all second nature for the quebec drivers/riders.
the cops didnt blink an eye when we were doing 120-120 in a 90 zone.
all roads were 90, even through some towns! some were 70 and 50 if it was a big town.
the place just made sense.
Ontario? we take the bayview extension down to a 60 zone because leaside cyclists didnt feel safe...god i hate this province most of the time
just going to work at 630 am is a chore...no traffic but all cars spread the **** out on the dvp...no wonder bikers do stupid things like passing on the right or lane filtering, etc...
cops should be enforcing and ticketing for **** like going too slow in the left, or blocking people, more distracted driving, not just cell phone. just typical daily dickery we have to deal with
arg
just got back from a quebec tour, it was ****in amazing.
cars moved out of our way without hesitation, never got dirty looks for passing properly on a broken yellow line, **** about every corner had a passing lane and signs saying "stay to right unless passing", it was all second nature for the quebec drivers/riders.
the cops didnt blink an eye when we were doing 120-120 in a 90 zone.
all roads were 90, even through some towns! some were 70 and 50 if it was a big town.
the place just made sense.
Ontario? we take the bayview extension down to a 60 zone because leaside cyclists didnt feel safe...god i hate this province most of the time
just going to work at 630 am is a chore...no traffic but all cars spread the **** out on the dvp...no wonder bikers do stupid things like passing on the right or lane filtering, etc...
cops should be enforcing and ticketing for **** like going too slow in the left, or blocking people, more distracted driving, not just cell phone. just typical daily dickery we have to deal with
arg
I think that is a point of contention.
cbcanada
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it would be very intetesting if one could see the age if the poster. i think this thread is a classice case of the young and dumb vs older and wiser.
i cant believe people see nothing wrong here and are encouraging about running from the cops, and condoning this.
i wonder how the 3 bikers would feel if 3 cars would be using the bikes as stopping targets to see who can come closer without hitting them
i cant believe people see nothing wrong here and are encouraging about running from the cops, and condoning this.
i wonder how the 3 bikers would feel if 3 cars would be using the bikes as stopping targets to see who can come closer without hitting them
it would be very intetesting if one could see the age if the poster. i think this thread is a classice case of the young and dumb vs older and wiser.
i cant believe people see nothing wrong here and are encouraging about running from the cops, and condoning this.
i wonder how the 3 bikers would feel if 3 cars would be using the bikes as stopping targets to see who can come closer without hitting them
I don't think anyone said it wasn't stupid, infact lots of people did. I think what people are trying to point out is the ****ing target reticule painted on the wrong ****. Most of us would prefer it painted on the left turners, cell phone users, and mothers yelling at their kids in the back.
And someone DID bring up a good point, how many accidents (besides the insane ones on YouTube) have been caused by stunting versus left turns?
Griffin
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Not unless YRP has leased their aircraft to the OPP. That's about 100 kms out of jurisdiction.
That sums it up pretty good.
Doing a wheelie may or may not be dangerous - it depends on the skill of the rider. It's very dangerous for me. Not so much for JohnnyP636 (btw the Dangerous conviction you got was ridiculous overkill, in my view). It is FAR from the most dangerous thing as far as threats to other vehicles. Even should they have lost control, a 200 kg motorcycle isn't likely to kill anyone other than its rider. And it isn't launched at warfp speed somehow just because the rider falls off. Check some videos out to see the probable outcome.
165 on a 400 series is no big deal. I cruised the whole way back from Montreal a while ago at 140 and I was only in the upper median of speeds. Many people, including OPP not responding to emergencies, passed me.
I really wonder about some of the people riding motorcycles these days (or at least posting on motorcycle forums). Did you not realize that motorcycles are fun and that many people like to ride them quickly? I'm as irritated as anyone when someone is riding or driving recklessly or dangerously but going fast or wheelying is not necessarily dangerous, from what I've seen. I see a lot worse every day with distracted drivers or holier-than-thou road warriors trying to apply vigilante traffic justice.
Lighten the hell up.
油井緋色;1882052 said:
Sure, left-turners and other law-breakers should be charged, etc, but why should they be charged INSTEAD of these guys? They broke the law, they got caught, they got charged. They knew that they were breaking the law. What's the big deal?
theassassin
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.....suprised that you're the only one who said this, haha.
kickstartt
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They got caught because of snitches. Ppl hate snitches... just like at work and back in school.
gwelfmike
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Not unless YRP has leased their aircraft to the OPP. That's about 100 kms out of jurisdiction.
Aircraft Enforcement
C-GOXY is the latest addition to OPP Aviation Services and is a state-of-the-art fixed wing single engine aircraft. The Cessna 206 turbo has a range of over 1000 kilometres and incorporates sophisticated technology with durability and dependability and is capable of flying under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR). The five passenger aircraft has an overall length of 8.61 metres and a wingspan of 10.97 metres. The 310 horsepower engine generates enough power to ensure a maximum speed of 178 knots at an altitude of up to 27 000 feet.
The arrival of the new aircraft has been very much anticipated since August 15, 2007 when Premier McGuinty and OPP Commissioner Fantino made the announcement at a formal ceremony in Markam, Ontario.
The Cessna 206 has an impeccable safety record and is equipped with the latest in aviation technology to ensure the multi-usage mandate required by the OPP is met. The aircraft will be equipped with a dual sensor camera (infrared and day-time video) and will also have digital downlink capabilities.
The primary function of the new Cessna will be traffic enforcement commencing on Hwy 400 between Barrie and Toronto. Plans are underway to utilize the new aircraft in each Region and an AEP plan is being prepared by Traffic Managers. Hot spots have been identified in each Region with regard to fatal and serious injury collisions under the Results Driven Policing model. This information will be utilized to focus the aircraft and associated resources to those problem areas.
Aircraft observers use the Robic stopwatch Model SC-808 to monitor and determine vehicle speeds. As the target vehicle crosses the painted 'hash mark' on the highway, the watch is activated. When the vehicle crosses the next roadway marking 500 metres away, the stopwatch is deactivated and the vehicle speed is automatically calculated and displayed. The use of this technology ensures accuracy and efficiency in speed enforcement from the air. In addition to passenger vehicle speeders, aircraft observers will also target violations by commercial motor vehicles and motorcycles. As the AEP develops, other problem areas such as intersections and school bus violations will also be monitored.
The Aircraft Enforcement Program is an excellent example of coupling state-of-the-art technology with the principles of the Provincial Traffic Safety Program for the purpose of saving lives. The Cessna 206 is a welcome addition to the traffic safety efforts by the OPP in the Province of Ontario.
Doing a wheelie may or may not be dangerous - it depends on the skill of the rider. It's very dangerous for me. Not so much for JohnnyP636 (btw the Dangerous conviction you got was ridiculous overkill, in my view). It is FAR from the most dangerous thing as far as threats to other vehicles. Even should they have lost control, a 200 kg motorcycle isn't likely to kill anyone other than its rider. And it isn't launched at warfp speed somehow just because the rider falls off. Check some videos out to see the probable outcome.
165 on a 400 series is no big deal. I cruised the whole way back from Montreal a while ago at 140 and I was only in the upper median of speeds. Many people, including OPP not responding to emergencies, passed me.
I really wonder about some of the people riding motorcycles these days (or at least posting on motorcycle forums). Did you not realize that motorcycles are fun and that many people like to ride them quickly? I'm as irritated as anyone when someone is riding or driving recklessly or dangerously but going fast or wheelying is not necessarily dangerous, from what I've seen. I see a lot worse every day with distracted drivers or holier-than-thou road warriors trying to apply vigilante traffic justice.
Lighten the hell up.
You are right, doing 140 kph on the 400 is no big deal if the conditons are right and you are a good rider. But EMS (and most fire departments are volunteer) are sparse in the north and if they are responding to some stunter who decided to splatter themselves on the road than they are taking away EMS from a real emergency.
THis type of running away from the police just gives them one more reason to get more aircraft, and besides if the York Regional Police are up in the air, they can "assist" the OPP in tracking.
These guys decided to roll the dice, they got caught and now have to pay the price.
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theassassin
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My brother in law was killed by a left turning mini van when he was doing 60kms on his 650 Vstar 2 years ago. In the end, the driver's punishment amounted to a $110 fine and 2 points. I told my sister from the beginning to not look for justice from the "legal system" as it is not a "justice system". We can't expect the laws to be perfect and punish people perfectly, but I agree with what you're saying. In "Onterrible", traffic laws don't make a lot of sense. I don't think I've seen 4 sportbikes wheelieing at the same time in the last 12 years, there just aren't this many skilled guys together on the same ride anymore. If they got towed, suspended and arrested for speeding, that's ridiculous, escpecially when no one was injured and a public witness was involved. I believe that the threshold for these kinds of charges is way too low, video evidence from a police cruiser must be made to be mandatory for any such charges. I've been threatened way too many times by police who I've told off that they would charge me with threats etc. but they can't because the threshold is too high. Giving the police this kind of power is wrong. This kind of thing is what courts are for. It reminds me of "judge dread" where arrest, trial and sentencing are all done at the same time by a policeman. Sadly, this is where Onterrible is heading.
theassassin
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+1 000 000!
well put, and what do we ontarians do about it? absolutely **** all...aside from ***** on gtam...
we need a 1000 person strong ride to queens park and protest...real protest, not like that occupy crap or the tamils...
we need a 1000 person strong ride to queens park and protest...real protest, not like that occupy crap or the tamils...
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