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How many hours are you productive for?

Lightcycle said:
Shouldn't matter if you have the right one on your side. But those are rare.

Like one in a minion.
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but they are wheelie helpful I hear
 
ifiddles said:
Well, I know most people have a hard on for teachers, however I'll chime in...I'm online usually from 9:10 (we officially start at 9:20 but my kids come early so we can chat) and I generally end at 3:50 (have gone to 4:00 because again, my students love to chat)...we have two 15 minute recesses during which we just hang around and chat again, however I do shut down for 45 minutes for lunch...before and after those hours, I plan, mark, send/respond to emails, make parent phone calls, report cards on weekends, staff meetings (yes, even virtually) etc....so probably a good 8 hours per day with more on weekends during peak report card writing times...
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I’ll take a shot at answering this.

1. Contract and compensation. Unlike most professional jobs, compensation is neither geared to either performance or the supply of professionals in the marketplace.

There are few professions where joining a union will double the non-union average wage.

2. Plain jealousy. of paid time off is more than 4x that afforded to the average Canadian, and the contract work year which is about 1/2 that of the average of professional worker in Ontario.

3. Arguments and battle cries that it’s a super tough job may not resonate with the public. Since the majority of teachers have never held a career position outside teaching, it’s likely they really don’t have a benchmark, if their peers say it’s tough, it must be tough.

Extremely low pre retirement attrition rates suggest its neither as demanding or stressful as stated.

I can’t think of any professional position that takes 5-7 years to get a full time gig after graduation (speaks to the desirability of the role, also speaks to the distorted supply/demand situation on compensation). Medical practitioners, accountants, dental hygienists, police, engineers… most have a 95% placement rate within 2 mos of graduation.
 
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Depending on the day, for the past 3-4 months, i spend 2-4hrs of true work out of an 8hr work day.

Not good. Laziness kicking in hardcore.
 
Mad Mike said:
3. Arguments and battle cries that it’s a super tough job may not resonate with the public. Since the majority of teachers have never held a career position outside teaching, it’s likely they really don’t have a benchmark, if their peers say it’s tough, it must be tough.
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All of my shop teachers in high school had some sort of industry experience - one of our auto teachers was a Honda master technicians at one point and the other used to work at an independent shop, our metal shop teacher was an aircraft mechanic, and our wood shop teacher built houses. At the time I had some interest in being an auto tech so I asked them why they left and became teachers - they all said "I make more money here, work less hours, and have the summer off".

In uni one of our profs in the auto engineering department bragged on multiple occasions that he had "3 years of industry experience" like it was some sort of miracle for a prof to do something off the campus.
 
Mad Mike said:
2. Plain jealousy. of paid time off is more than 4x that afforded to the average Canadian, and the contract work year which is about 1/2 that of the average of professional worker in Ontario.
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Not really paid time off. Teachers salaries are based on September to June. July and August they go unpaid with an option to spread their salary over 12 instead of 10 months.

Same issue people bring up about the pension. Anyone can retire well if they were forced to contribute ~11% of their pay into a fund.
 
oh geez.....here we go again
 
Dimitri said:
Not really paid time off. Teachers salaries are based on September to June. July and August they go unpaid with an option to spread their salary over 12 instead of 10 months. Maybe this makes it easier - TDSB teachers are paid $108k S&B for 194 days

Same issue people bring up about the pension. Anyone can retire well if they were forced to contribute ~11% of their pay into a fund.
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Explain how spreading pay over 12 months makes a difference? They are not really paid as you say, the are paid to work 191 of 194 300 minute days each calendar year. They are not paid for stat holidays or summer. That’s a total of 955 hrs per contract year. At the average TDSB salary of $108k, that’s a touch over $113/hr.

Same with those huge mandatory pension contributions, if you understood taxation you would know that teachers bargained that in - its a huge benefit that the average Joe does not get.
 
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Mad Mike said:
Explain how spreading pay over 12 months makes a difference?

Same with those huge mandatory pension contributions, if you understood taxation you would know that teachers bargained that in - its a huge benefit that the average Joe does not get.
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They don't have to budget/save if only paid 10.

@Lightcycle.....she minion gonna give it to you....lol

Oh yeah about being productive.....When I'm on site, 100%. Anytime else maybe 50%.
 
Mad Mike said:
Explain how spreading pay over 12 months makes a difference?
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It prevents them from going broke over the summer months.

But their pay scale is bargained at 194 days (school days, in year stat holidays and working PA days). And spread out to the full year.

The teachers contract does not have them getting paid for Christmas or March break either. So the only paid time off they get is their 20 sick days.

Mad Mike said:
Same with those huge mandatory pension contributions, if you understood taxation you would know that teachers bargained that in - its a huge benefit that the average Joe does not get.
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You can, it's called an IPP in Canada and allows you to shelter from taxes even more then a standard RRSP account would allow.
 
48Connor said:
All of my shop teachers in high school had some sort of industry experience - one of our auto teachers was a Honda master technicians at one point and the other used to work at an independent shop, our metal shop teacher was an aircraft mechanic, and our wood shop teacher built houses. At the time I had some interest in being an auto tech so I asked them why they left and became teachers - they all said "I make more money here, work less hours, and have the summer off".

In uni one of our profs in the auto engineering department bragged on multiple occasions that he had "3 years of industry experience" like it was some sort of miracle for a prof to do something off the campus.
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Shop teachers typically need real world experience. My BIL is a retired teacher, first a mechanical engineer for 10 yrs at GM, then a teacher for 26. he retired last year at 58.
Dimitri said:
Not really paid time off. Teachers salaries are based on September to June. July and August they go unpaid with an option to spread their salary over 12 instead of 10 months.

Same issue people bring up about the pension. Anyone can retire well if they were forced to contribute ~11% of their pay into a fund.
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Dimitri said:
It prevents them from going broke over the summer months.

But their pay scale is bargained at 194 days (school days, in year stat holidays and working PA days). And spread out to the full year.

The teachers contract does not have them getting paid for Christmas or March break either. So the only paid time off they get is their 20 sick days.



You can, it's called an IPP in Canada and allows you to shelter from taxes even more then a standard RRSP account would allow.
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IPPs are out of reach for the average Joe.
 
@Mad Mike I didn't post to start a war about teachers' salaries, benefits etc., however, just wanted to add to the conversation about productivity...perhaps I shouldn't have started my post the way I did...at any rate, our salary is based on 194 days and our day with the kids is 300 minutes (at least in elementary it is, I know nothing about HS)...I get a 40 minute prep period per day to do administrative work (if the teacher doesn't get pulled to cover a class that is without a supply, and this past year, trust me, it happened quite often, as OTs didn't want to work in Covid times)...in elementary we also have to do yard duty so add in 80 minutes per week, so there goes at least 5 recesses where I can't go to the bathroom (try holding it from 9:20 am to 11:50 am and tell me it's easy)...the average salary is NOT $108K, it takes years and I mean years (12 with my board) to get to max, which is just shy of $100K...starting teachers are more around the $45K mark...

@Dimitri the contract negotiations back in 2017 (IIRC) took away those 20 days and knocked them down to 11...we used to be able to roll them over from year to the next if not used...some boards were allowed to get a payout for their accumulated sick day bank (IIRC the public ones were), however the Catholic boards lost them...police and fire fighters I believe also have this benefit, so it's not strictly teachers

I've said it in other threads before, if you think we have it so easy, go get your BEd. or MEd (which is what I have) and become a teacher...I've had two successful careers in the past before getting into teaching at 37 and trust me, it's not the walk in the park that everyone thinks it is...
 
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