How is this ok?

N3WMAN said:
Who cares if they moved them for a car lapping event? They should have been back on for a motorcycle lapping event.

I'm no rocket surgeon, but if they were able to move the bags off the track, they would be able to put them back on the track.
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Rocket surgeon??? ;-)
 
SlowMo said:
Ever read the waiver you sign at TMP? Pretty much says no matter how badly you hurt yourself, you absolve TMP and any other rider on the track of any responsibility whatsoever.

When I read the waiver line by line at GB the person at the gate was flabbergasted. Said I was the first person in her memory to actually read before signing.
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Those waivers aren't worth the paper they are written on.
 
^ That waiver is not worth the piece of paper that it is printed on. You cannot sign away "gross negligence". Having a protective measure in place or knowing of a protective measure that could reasonably be taken, and then failing to provide that protective measure, and as a result someone gets hurt ... puts one into a difficult legal position that the waiver won't protect against.

I think it's time to wrap up this thread. If this thread makes someone ask questions at their next track day, it served a purpose. If this thread makes trackday providers think about and implement protective measures, it served a purpose. If you are at a track day and you see something that is not right, point it out to the organizers. Better yet, if possible, do something about it yourself. Volunteer to drag hay bales around. Volunteer someone to be a corner worker. If a certain track day provider does their job well, go to another one that they organize. Conversely, if another track day provider does not do a good job, point out the issue to them and if their response is nonchalant, stop going to those and find another organizer until they shape up. Money talks.
 
Was at TMP this past Saturday and was wondering what had happened to the hay bails. This pic [sort of] shows their current state:




I just found this vid from last weekend:

[video=youtube;la8-Df9EEeM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la8-Df9EEeM[/video]

Good to know such a vital safety feature for motorcyclists is basically just a piñata to these drifters.

Good thing the season is almost over.
 
This kind of pisses me off

Don't blame the drifters but goes to show you how much TMP does not give a **** about motorcycle rides safety knowing there was going to be a motorcycle track event the weekend after.

I am not riding there next year or ever again until this changes - They might not care and it is my personal decision and I don't expect anyone else to follow but I am banning TMP from my schedule because of that video regardless if they replace the bales or not.
 
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So instead of replacing the bales that were destroyed they removed them....nice.

Its a ****** track anyway then they make it dangerous.
 
From the pictures it seems they didn't remove them, it seems they swept it against the wall - Mind Blowing.
dricked said:
So instead of replacing the bales that were destroyed they removed them....nice.

Its a ****** track anyway then they make it dangerous.
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ZX600 said:
From the pictures it seems they didn't remove them, it seems they swept it against the wall - Mind Blowing.
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In the pic it looks like there's just a pile of straw in the impact zone. Maybe it's just the angle but I would assume there should be some where they'd be needed or at least there was previously.
 
FACT,,,bales were there before at EVERY weekend with SOAR. SOAR in fact paid and installed
bales two rows deep on their own. The bales were placed in white bags to increase their life span.The proof they worked is widely evident and known. NOT removing the bales for cars,most of all drifters,,is pure disrespect.
I offered to "GIVE" TMP bags for bottles but they had to be removed for cars. I suggested they charge the cars for damage to the bags for replacement if they do not wish to remove them. But this video shows the cars using them as a toy to clip on the exit.
Watching this video,"AFTER" the phone conversation I had with the track owner explaining "Due Dilagence" and the importance of maintaining a recognized implemented safety standard, I'm shocked! But most of all dissapointed. When people work so hard to try to keep safety front and center,,,this is truly a sad day.
I think it is sad but I'm afraid a " told you so" is the only way things will get fixed here. Be careful people! PLEASE take the time to educate the danger of this corner to new riders. Enjoy the ride but respect the danger!
Be safe!
John Bickle
Canadian Riders Safety Fund
 
The bales were in fact intact. They looked a little ragged but they were in working order. Ideally they should remove some of them for drifting days but that's unlikely to ever happen.
 
Benny! said:
The bales were in fact intact. They looked a little ragged but they were in working order. Ideally they should remove some of them for drifting days but that's unlikely to ever happen.
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Your comment completely contradicts the video and the picture.

The cars destroyed/damaged some of the bales for what we saw on the video, if what you are saying is that the bales that are left are intact, it is irrelevant as there should have been more bales counting the ones that were destroyed.

Also some of the cars hit the bales in some of the potential impact zones for motorcycles, so there is no way the bales are "intact"

Not sure what to make of your comment to be honest, this does not seem intact

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Benny! said:
The bales were in fact intact. They looked a little ragged but they were in working order. Ideally they should remove some ofo them for drifting days but that's unlikely to ever happen.
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You're Joking right? The smashed bales were not collected and rebaled. Straw laying on the ground doesn't absorb an impact.
 
ZX600 said:
Your comment completely contradicts the video and the picture.

The cars destroyed/damaged some of the bails for what we saw on the video, if what you are saying is that the bails that are left are intact, it is irrelevant as there should have been more bails counting the ones that were destroyed.

Also some of the cars hit the bails in some of the potential impact zones for motorcycles, so there is no way the bails are "intact"

Not sure what to make of your comment to be honest.
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I assume they moved some around. I was there and saw them. at the very end there was a pile of straw but the impact zones were covered. It doesnt matter what I say. everyone on here is on the I hate tmp bandwagon regardless. I've never had a issue there. It was just last winter everyone was complaining about the walls at the new RDT track at Mosport. I don't see anyone complaining about it now. This just seems to be the ***** of the week topic.
 
It's one of the very few tracks in Ontario. If you don't like it don't go. It's as simple as that.
 
gsxr guy said:
You're Joking right? The smashed bales were not collected and rebaled. Straw laying on the ground doesn't absorb an impact.
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I am not wasting my time arguing with Benny, she obviously doesn't understand the point of this conversation.

Anyways, my money will go somewhere else as there are plenty of tracks in Ontario, we are actually spoiled in that regard.
 
Benny! said:
It's one of the very few tracks in Ontario. If you don't like it don't go. It's as simple as that.
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The thing is, it was made safe(er) and then because of the track not wanting to do some work or spend a few dollars to maintain it, it's now become unsafe again even though they know about the hazard. If people just keep going and spending money there with the track the way it is why would they spend a few hundred dollars to keep you safe? That cuts into their profit. You don't seem to care about risking yourself or equipment so why should they?
 
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