Holy Smokes!!! This country is off it's collective head.

[killerkeith]

actually, my government wouldn't have violated the civil liberties of the g20 protesters, who were legally exercising their charter rights. . .



goes to show how little people care to know about someone before making ill-informed and incorrect assumptions. . .my kids (one at university and the other going into high school soon) are a lot older than your kids, and over the years i have watched more than my fair share of 6 and 4 year olds as a result. . . still sticking to my original points.

i'm going to want maximum due diligence by everyone involved when kids are at stake. don't want to have the cops walk up my steps to tell me that they thought it wasn't a big deal when a kid at my daughter's school started drawing guns, that they just assumed it was a toy, and sorry for your loss, it was an accident, yadda yadda yadda. just because we're not parents stupid enough to allow access to firearms to our kids doesn't mean that there aren't adults out there who lack common sense. face it, we've all seen people before that made us cringe and question whether they should be parents. . .

like i wrote before, context, people. . .context. if this guy was a leo (that might explain the gun in daddy's hand, or knowledge of such) or a sainted knight, sure, but fairly recent convictions for serious crimes (assault and attempted burglary)? people were following established protocol, as far as i can tell.

Your kids pasted this stage a long long time ago mate so I stand by my original statement. Would you like to see my 6 year old's toy gun collection? He has 6 nerf guns and he loves each and everyone. His kid sister who's 4 also loves playing with them. Here's a news flash since it's been almost 10 years for you and your full time 4 year old experience. Kids at this age are attention whores and sometimes lie to get that attention. Accroding to your logic I can expect an anal probe if they ever draw a picture of there favorite toy and says "Daddy loves to point guns at us", lie and say it's a real gun.

 

[rmemedic]

Were you down here or 300km away watching it on TV?

I was over in Afghanistan. Everyone else that was in the mess tent that saw the same news broadcast thought the exact same thing as me.

I've seen the youtube vids posted up by these "victims". Should have left once the cops had enough of it.

 

[fastar1]

I was over in Afghanistan. Everyone else that was in the mess tent that saw the same news broadcast thought the exact same thing as me.

I've seen the youtube vids posted up by these "victims". Should have left once the cops had enough of it.

afong may be off his rocker, but you're off yours on the other side.

 

[rmemedic]

afong may be off his rocker, but you're off yours on the other side.

Why? Because I think that people should be mature enough to realize that maybe it's not a good situation to put themselves in?
I saw video of a protester, right in the face of a cop YELLING while the cop was trying his best to be polite telling them to leave.
I did hear of some of the stuff that happened that the police allegedly did that wasn't right, so I'm not saying they did a perfect job, but for most of these "victims" I don't feel bad for.

 

[mikbusa]

actually, my government wouldn't have violated the civil liberties of the g20 protesters, who were legally exercising their charter rights. . .

goes to show how little people care to know about someone before making ill-informed and incorrect assumptions. . .my kids (one at university and the other going into high school soon) are a lot older than your kids, and over the years i have watched more than my fair share of 6 and 4 year olds as a result. . . still sticking to my original points.

i'm going to want maximum due diligence by everyone involved when kids are at stake. don't want to have the cops walk up my steps to tell me that they thought it wasn't a big deal when a kid at my daughter's school started drawing guns, that they just assumed it was a toy, and sorry for your loss, it was an accident, yadda yadda yadda. just because we're not parents stupid enough to allow access to firearms to our kids doesn't mean that there aren't adults out there who lack common sense. face it, we've all seen people before that made us cringe and question whether they should be parents. . .

like i wrote before, context, people. . .context. if this guy was a leo (that might explain the gun in daddy's hand, or knowledge of such) or a sainted knight, sure, but fairly recent convictions for serious crimes (assault and attempted burglary)? people were following established protocol, as far as i can tell.

Sounds like my kids are about the same age range as yours, and if I was strip searched and locked up every time either of my sons drew weapons in school, I'd still be in there. Total nonsense locking up someone for what the child drew, in this case. There are way too many pansy *** oversensitive pussies in education. This could have gone nowhere if somebody had some ****ing common sense and just asked the kid if their father really had a gun. If yes, then dig in. According yo my kids kindergarten artwork, I have owned both light sabers and machine guns. And apparently we had pet dinosaurs.

 

[fastar1]

Why? Because I think that people should be mature enough to realize that maybe it's not a good situation to put themselves in?
I saw video of a protester, right in the face of a cop YELLING while the cop was trying his best to be polite telling them to leave.
I did hear of some of the stuff that happened that the police allegedly did that wasn't right, so I'm not saying they did a perfect job, but for most of these "victims" I don't feel bad for.

Ooooooh ya, yelling. I must have missed that video. What's a cop to do? Can't cry so they gotta beat 'em up I guess.

 

[coyo]

FYI, the gun registry is still in place. It hasn't been abolished YET.
But damn, this makes a good example as to how useless it really is, isn't it?! Guy was totally innocent, and a quick check of the registry would have proven it, but apparently it failed.

Great waste of $2 BILLION when all of us "stupid gun owning rednecks" were crying out how ineffective it really would be.

Or... the registry WAS checked where he was NOT found to have any guns REGISTERED to him, further increasing the concern about guns in the house.

Not to say I support the cost of the registry, just making my point about how checking the registry in this case would not have alleviated the concern. Had he HAD registered guns in the house I'm thinking it may have been a different course of action.

 

[OpenGambit]

Why? Because I think that people should be mature enough to realize that maybe it's not a good situation to put themselves in?
I saw video of a protester, right in the face of a cop YELLING while the cop was trying his best to be polite telling them to leave.
I did hear of some of the stuff that happened that the police allegedly did that wasn't right, so I'm not saying they did a perfect job, but for most of these "victims" I don't feel bad for.

Hmm... I don't think you really looked into what happend at the g20 that much... It really is a pretty awful example of police behaviour. So maybe this is not really a discussion that should be started because the facts are not favourable to your position.

 

[OpenGambit]

Or... the registry WAS checked where he was NOT found to have any guns REGISTERED to him, further increasing the concern about guns in the house.

Yes.. that makes it USELESS because both outcomes lead to more suspicion... so whats the point if it doesn't have the possibility of changing the outcome?

 

[coyo]

Yes.. that makes it USELESS because both outcomes lead to more suspicion... so whats the point if it doesn't have the possibility of changing the outcome?

As mentioned, I'm not supporting the registry, and certainly not the ridiculous cost of it, just commenting on the fact that "armchair quarterback people in the know" apparently know that no one bothered to check the registry.

 

[OpenGambit]

As mentioned, I'm not supporting the registry, and certainly not the ridiculous cost of it, just commenting on the fact that "armchair quarterback people in the know" apparently know that no one bothered to check the registry.

what I am commenting on is the fact that under your analysis, it pretty much doesn't matter whether they checked the registry or not...
because both outcomes /or not knowing which one, has 0 effect on the result. ( justifying the suspicion.)

 

[killerkeith]

Sounds like my kids are about the same age range as yours, and if I was strip searched and locked up every time either of my sons drew weapons in school, I'd still be in there. Total nonsense locking up someone for what the child drew, in this case. There are way too many pansy *** oversensitive pussies in education. This could have gone nowhere if somebody had some ****ing common sense and just asked the kid if their father really had a gun. If yes, then dig in. According yo my kids kindergarten artwork, I have owned both light sabers and machine guns. And apparently we had pet dinosaurs.

What this guy said.

 

[coyo]

what I am commenting on is the fact that under your analysis, it pretty much doesn't matter whether they checked the registry or not...
because both outcomes /or not knowing which one, has 0 effect on the result. ( justifying the suspicion.)

Personally, I think that the outcome of any check would have an affect on the manner in which you continue your investigation however I agree that regardless of the result of the check, the suspicion still exists.

 

[braveheart]

Sounds like my kids are about the same age range as yours, and if I was strip searched and locked up every time either of my sons drew weapons in school, I'd still be in there. Total nonsense locking up someone for what the child drew, in this case. There are way too many pansy *** oversensitive pussies in education. This could have gone nowhere if somebody had some ****ing common sense and just asked the kid if their father really had a gun. If yes, then dig in. According yo my kids kindergarten artwork, I have owned both light sabers and machine guns. And apparently we had pet dinosaurs.

dinosaurs ??? you lucky bastard. my place is filled with princesses , mermaids and butterflies.

 

[OpenGambit]

Personally, I think that the outcome of any check would have an affect on the manner in which you continue your investigation however I agree that regardless of the result of the check, the suspicion still exists.

Then that makes the information worthless/ immaterial because it has no ability to change the outcome.

 

[OpenGambit]

dinosaurs ??? you lucky bastard. my place is filled with princesses , mermaids and butterflies.

You have obviously kidnapped the above and should be arrested.

Start pulling those pants down.

 

[killerkeith]

I had to replace some burned out lights in the bathroom with 3 different shades of the white energy saving light bulbs and today my 6 year old boy started screaming "Mommy Mommy, come quick!" He wanted to show off his "Rainbow Penis" as his pee stream was casting 3 different shadows because of the light. He plans on drawing me a picture cause I missed it. That should only land me about 25 years in jail.

 

[coyo]

Then that makes the information worthless/ immaterial because it has no ability to change the outcome.

OK, I think we have to agree to disagree here. Further, while your point is to your opinion of the usefulness of the registry, mine is to the way people believe their thoughts on what happened (without it EVER being mentioned in the media spectacle that was obviously the intent) become facts somehow.

 

[eastcoast_gsx]

Total nonsense locking up someone for what the child drew, in this case....this could have gone nowhere if somebody had some ****ing common sense and just asked the kid if their father really had a gun. If yes, then dig in.

I think they did indeed ask, and the answer they got was [yes, there was a gun, others play with it, and it makes me scared]

Maybe the issue is the weight given to a statement of such a young child.

Lessons:

- Maybe dad should have explained to everyone in the house that the gun was a "toy"?
- Teacher should have made some effort to quantify the kids comments.
- CPA should not have overreacted and sent in the cavalry
- LEO should have clarified the issue from the begining of the interaction
- The taking away of kids from the parents for questioning was not right IMO

Maybe the teacher could have intercepted the dad at pickup time and made an offhanded remark about the "gun" the kid was refering to, dad may have clued in to what was going on and clarified for her (but I can see why she would be reluctant to do this do to the aspect of "by the book" procedures they have to answer to)

I think the bulk of the problem here lies with CPA. But I don't think there is any one in particular the blame lies with, there is enough to go around.

 

[braveheart]

everyone has it wrong. the person who caused all this mess is the kid who drew the picture.

they should teach him/her a lesson, and sell them off for medical experiments