That video game controller has half the buttons of the honda controller.
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sburns
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Right I can tell just from the photos you have no idea what you are talking about and this is just more of your rhetoric against HD's it's getting pretty lame now, again most of those controls are just typical MC functions AND you have some control from the handlebars, compared to that central set of controls on the GW = lots of buttons lots of gimzos.That's a ~10 year old (or more) Goldwing. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Here's a 2020 Goldwing layout.
And a 2020 Harley CVO.
I think if you actually sat on a modern Harley you'd be a little flaberghasted how many "gizmos" they have. Just because yours is oldschool doesn't mean that's the way they all still are, especially the farkle-laden models like the CVO. By the way, that screen on the Harley is touchscreen. The Goldwing uses a joystick layout instead on the left grip so you don't need to take your hands off the handebars.
Sheesh. Chill out. Thou doth protesteth too much.
Take your own advice and dial down the nonsense.
I test drove a 2019 Goldwing (basically the same bike as the one I pictured) at GP last year when I was starting to think about what to move up to.
They handlebar controls are pretty streamlined now. Takes some time to get used to, but reasonably intuitive. Still quite a few buttons? Sure...but Honda has wisely shied away from the touch screen thing and opted to make the handlebar layout setup entirely for thumb control. It also has things like the windshield up/down control that many other bikes don't have, etc.
I think they still however, the same as my Vulcan, for some inexplicable reason persist on still including CB controls. Outside of the trucking industry and a few backwards southern states I don't know of anyone who actually uses CB anymore, particularly on motorcycles with the advent of helmet communicators. Why manufacturers are still wasting button real-estate with functions 99.9% of their owners will never use is beyond me.
They handlebar controls are pretty streamlined now. Takes some time to get used to, but reasonably intuitive. Still quite a few buttons? Sure...but Honda has wisely shied away from the touch screen thing and opted to make the handlebar layout setup entirely for thumb control. It also has things like the windshield up/down control that many other bikes don't have, etc.
I think they still however, the same as my Vulcan, for some inexplicable reason persist on still including CB controls. Outside of the trucking industry and a few backwards southern states I don't know of anyone who actually uses CB anymore, particularly on motorcycles with the advent of helmet communicators. Why manufacturers are still wasting button real-estate with functions 99.9% of their owners will never use is beyond me.
WTF?
Honestly, you're not seeing the forest for the trees because you're so blinded by your infatuation with Harley and your perception of the competition that you're still comparing apples to oranges.
Aside from the windshield up/down controls the CVO has pretty much all the exact same things the Goldwing has. The difference being the Harley has opted for more analogue gauges (as opposed to LCD side panels off to the side of the main display on the Goldwing instead of 6 individual analogue gauges on the Harley), and the HD has a touchscreen head unit that controls many of the things that are controlled by your left thumb on the Goldwing.
Here's a nice 20 minute video explaining all those touchscreen gizmos on the Harley.
So you feel that a touchscreen on a motorcycle is better than thumb controls?
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I agree that touchscreens suck. When I rented a Roadglide in California last year i only used the touchscreen to pinch for zooming in and out on the Nav. everything else you could do with a little joystick/button under your right turn signal.
Stop making **** up.
sburns
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I'm not the one here with an infatuation by HD's.
So just the touch screen is a gimo, not
Adjustable Windscreen
Elec controlled Suspension
Airbag
Riding Modes
DCT auto clutch and transmission
Walking speed modes
Hill start assit
Idle stop system
Pretty sure none of those 8 gizmo's are not on any HD, but again I can't see the forest.
Keep trying. You are coming off as "needy".
So buttons. In a discussion thread about there being too many buttons.
I see.
How DARE anyone want a nicety like that! Honestly it was one of the things I liked about the Wing most when I test rode one, and there's LOTS of other bikes that offer that feature. Sure wish my Vulcan had it honestly. Ever rode a bike with one?
Sure beats oldschool air shocks and manual knuckle basher shock preload adjustments. Even the system on my Kawi is kinda stupid, individual air shocks with fill nozzles and rebound damper dials that require contortionist maneuvers to reach, although thankfully you can at least do it without needing to remove the saddlebags.
I tried the suspension settings on the Wing. Kinda cool....menu options are in the infotainment, no extra buttons or whatever you're complaining about like the old wings.
How dare anyone want to increase their chance of survival in an accident when they're out riding further than the nearest Tim Hortons!
Options. Some like em, some think they're stupid. Whatever floats the boat - customers want them or need them (medical reasons), they pay for them. They all serve a purpose. Kinda like HD's RDRS system - some call that "electronic band aids for lousy riders" as well.
You use your left thumb to operate the controls on the Harley, according to your test drive you use your left thumb to do the same thing on the gold wing.
are they nice options or gizmos?
The touchscreen was a problem until I pointed out that it has the same left hand button set-up that Honda copied a few years later. Now the button is a problem.
are they nice options or gizmos?
The touchscreen was a problem until I pointed out that it has the same left hand button set-up that Honda copied a few years later. Now the button is a problem.
sburns
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Interesting how you changed your tune to suit your needs.
The convo started with too many gizmos vs simplicity, so ya buttons imply features.
All the features I listed were unique to the GW. Not implying HD doesn't have them, but nothing close to Goldwing or possibly other brands.
But keep playing up that agenda of yours.
Harley guys win. Less gizmos, or gizmos by different names. Whatever. Different buttons in different places.
Yay.
Let’s all move on.
Yay.
Let’s all move on.
J_F
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wonder how far along in the development that bike was?
all I've seen are artist's renderings and prototypes that clearly are not functioning motorbikes
the Pan America seemed to be on a parallel development path and share some bits
but there are pictures and videos of a ride-able bike
if the ADV succeeds it could be a huge boost doe the Co.
so any bets on how long this CEO lasts?
they threw Levatich and his Many Roads to Harley campaign overboard
he was a builder
new guy has the Rewire Strategy
new guy doesn't sound like a builder
he's a cutter
may be able to restore profitability but shrink the company
stock may get a bounce then he'll cash his options and move on
some voodoo accounting going on there in Milwaukee
sales are in a free-fall, yet they continue to report margin and pay dividends?
I guess debt is the answer? can't be bothered to look up the balance sheet
all I've seen are artist's renderings and prototypes that clearly are not functioning motorbikes
the Pan America seemed to be on a parallel development path and share some bits
but there are pictures and videos of a ride-able bike
if the ADV succeeds it could be a huge boost doe the Co.
so any bets on how long this CEO lasts?
they threw Levatich and his Many Roads to Harley campaign overboard
he was a builder
new guy has the Rewire Strategy
new guy doesn't sound like a builder
he's a cutter
may be able to restore profitability but shrink the company
stock may get a bounce then he'll cash his options and move on
some voodoo accounting going on there in Milwaukee
sales are in a free-fall, yet they continue to report margin and pay dividends?
I guess debt is the answer? can't be bothered to look up the balance sheet
Roadghost
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This isn't a new game for HD. They went through something similar in 1979 when they killed the V-4 engine. They were taken over by Vaughan Beals and Willie G. Davidson who then began work on the Evolution blockhead engine. This new guy wants them focusing on premium, classic motorcycles instead of trying to woo a young crowd (who don't have the interest or the money to buy expensive bikes). He's not buying the nonsense about how HD's market is made up of aging people who are dying off. Says the 40 - 60yr old demographic is always going to be there and they are the ones with the money. There's just less of them now and the MoCo has to shrink to adapt. You're right though, he's a strict dollars and cents kind of guy. He won't invest unless there's going to be a payday.
