#$%@ GP Bikes just made my life harder

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Shaman

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I went to change the oil today in the Super Duke and one of the bolts for the oil change is on so @#$% tight that I stripped the bolt head - with a 13mm six-point Sears socket! The torque on this bolt is supposed to be 15ft/lb, not 115ft/lb and I'm worried about the threads when I do get it out (or they do). The front one was tight, but this is ludicrously tight, a standard socket wrench wasn't enough leverage and you already know what happened when I put the breaker bar on it.

I'm so mad I'm spitting nails. I paid them for this quality of work? This had to have been put on with an air wrench. Again, supposed to be torqued to 15lb! I'm legitimately surprised that they didn't crack the crankcase with that much torque.

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Never been to GPBikes, but I've had experiences like this before with my car.

...And so, I change my own oil and my own tires. And when I had go to a mechanic for brakes, I picked my vehicle up with my torque wrench and checked some lug nuts first.

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ToSlow said:
Try a 1/2in six point socket, it is just a touch smaller than the 13mm

If needed tap it on the bolt gently
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I did try that already, it's not going to hold. I think it'll need to be drilled out.

And I need a replacement for sure.
 
Shaman said:
I did try that already, it's not going to hold. I think it'll need to be drilled out.

And I need a replacement for sure.
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I would be careful with a bolt extractor. That bolt looks soft and you may further reduce the diameter. Can you get an angle to get visegrips on balls tight? Tap them with a hammer and bolt should break free. Option two is weld on a nut. A very distant third option would be a drill.
 
 
N234 said:
There are some gnarly looking bolt removers sold by Canadian Tire.

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This or amazon.
On the bright side tho the bolt is in a drill friendly spot and has a handy divot in the center.
There are extractors that resemble a regular drill bit with LH tap threads on the upper portion that would be my choice if the other extractors don't do it.
It appears that the bolt might be in some oil passage if so put some heavy grease in the drill bits flutes when you think that it might be close to breaking through to minimize shrapnel in the oil.
 
Dirty Frank said:
This or amazon.
On the bright side tho the bolt is in a drill friendly spot and has a handy divot in the center.
There are extractors that resemble a regular drill bit with LH tap threads on the upper portion that would be my choice if the other extractors don't do it.
It appears that the bolt might be in some oil passage if so put some heavy grease in the drill bits flutes when you think that it might be close to breaking through to minimize shrapnel in the oil.
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Not a bolt a filter housing see my post above. This is what they look like 2 of them and they don't actually need serviced every oil change

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Scuba Steve said:
Pretty sure that's not a bolt that is the filter screen housing if I am not mistaken. Only good news is it doesn't need to come out every oil change.

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Interesting. If you can get vise grips on that od (without mangling the case), even better.
 
LOL, the one KTM bolt that doesn't have both a hex head and Torx socket.

In all seriousness, I feel for you. Had something similar happen to me when I changed the oil on my 990 to find the filter bolts overtightened and/or cross threaded and snapped the head off when removing. Luckily a reverse drill bit got the rest of the bolt threads out easily. Are you saying you're letting GP Bikes try to remove it?

I have this induction heater that work wonders on seized bolts, but usually from corrosion, not over-tightening:

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Relax said:
LOL, the one KTM bolt that doesn't have both a hex head and Torx socket.

In all seriousness, I feel for you. Had something similar happen to me when I changed the oil on my 990 to find the filter bolts overtightened and/or cross threaded and snapped the head of fwhen removing. Luckily a reverse drill bit got the rest of the bolt threads out easily. Are you saying you're letting GP Bikes try to remove it?

I have this induction heater that work wonders on seized bolts, but usually from corrosion, not over-tightening:

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I think he had gp bikes do a previous service and he thinks they screwed up the install (hopefully too tight and not cross threaded).
 
Shaman said:
I went to change the oil today in the Super Duke and one of the bolts for the oil change is on so @#$% tight that I stripped the bolt head - with a 13mm six-point Sears socket! The torque on this bolt is supposed to be 15ft/lb, not 115ft/lb and I'm worried about the threads when I do get it out (or they do). The front one was tight, but this is ludicrously tight, a standard socket wrench wasn't enough leverage and you already know what happened when I put the breaker bar on it.

I'm so mad I'm spitting nails. I paid them for this quality of work? This had to have been put on with an air wrench. Again, supposed to be torqued to 15lb! I'm legitimately surprised that they didn't crack the crankcase with that much torque.

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Vise grip and a hammer or a punch to get it moving then replace the filter screen.

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When I upgraded a newer F150 the drain plug went from traditional metal drain plug to this plastic thing...

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that you twist in and twist out, WITH NO TOOLS, JUST YOUR FINGERS, like some sort of savage or a monkey.

I was initially "fine" with it (Freaked out, Insecure, Neurotic, Emotional)... after having done two oil changes myself, I actually love this stupid thing: You don't need a tool to take it out. You can't overtighten it so you don't need a torque wrench or even any common sense to put it in. They're always really easy to hold in place just slightly to get the drain flow started until it's flowing in a controlled way so you don't get that initial SPLOOSH! that makes a mess. This thing is idiot-compliant and I appreciate it way more than I thought I would.

Right now the design is entirely too big for motorcycle application, but I wonder if one day we'll see these shrunken down for bike use?
 
No need to panic. A bolt extractor socket and a long lever will have no trouble with that. I've had success with these on several occasions. Get 'em at Canadian Tire, Princess Auto, Amazon, etc.

Good luck.

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Jayell said:
No need to panic. A bolt extractor socket and a long lever will have no trouble with that. I've had success with these on several occasions. Get 'em at Canadian Tire, Princess Auto, Amazon, etc.

Good luck.

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Threads like this are reeeeally bad for my wallet.

"I don't need these tools RIGHT NOW.... but I can totally see myself needing these exact tools SOON(ish)?"
 
There’s a guy that mechanics use in the GTA whose specialty is removing broken bolts and thread repair on site. I was getting my Mercedes Sprinter worked on in Scarborough and my mechanic broke a bolt off in the head in a really bad spot. He picked up the phone, the guy showed up within the hour and had the bolt out in 20 minutes for not a whole lot of money. He’s an automotive machinist by trade and operates out of Oshawa. He would have your bolt out in a heartbeat. I can get his info if you still need him before you go out , buy a bunch of tools and make things worse.
 
adri said:
When I upgraded a newer F150 the drain plug went from traditional metal drain plug to this plastic thing...

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that you twist in and twist out, WITH NO TOOLS, JUST YOUR FINGERS, like some sort of savage or a monkey.

I was initially "fine" with it (Freaked out, Insecure, Neurotic, Emotional)... after having done two oil changes myself, I actually love this stupid thing: You don't need a tool to take it out. You can't overtighten it so you don't need a torque wrench or even any common sense to put it in. They're always really easy to hold in place just slightly to get the drain flow started until it's flowing in a controlled way so you don't get that initial SPLOOSH! that makes a mess. This thing is idiot-compliant and I appreciate it way more than I thought I would.

Right now the design is entirely too big for motorcycle application, but I wonder if one day we'll see these shrunken down for bike use?
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