Def. not a fair comparison.....we have it pretty tough.
Goodbye Nelson Mandela
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Def. not a fair comparison.....we have it pretty tough.
I'd rather have brutal taxes than be continually repressed just because some bigot thinks skin colour is important when it comes to deciding who gets it all and who gets none.
The answer to your question of how the country is doing... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_South_Africa turns out, not too bad at all.
I read it. Your definition of "not too bad at all" is way different than mine. Here is a link for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
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When we stop allowing Canada's aboriginals to go to our hospitals, schools, stores, public areas, and participate in our democratic elections, then I will understand a violent armed resistance. Obviously that resistance would be smashed shut and I'd live on happily ever after, but that's in answer to Icboner's ridiculously stupid question.
Furthermore, Aboriginals are a tiny fraction of the population in Canada whereas blacks were and always have been the majority in South Africa… so there's that, also.
Nelson Mandela did what I readily would've done against those colonialist twats. I'd do it today under the same circumstances and I'd probably take immense pride and joy in it.
Furthermore, Aboriginals are a tiny fraction of the population in Canada whereas blacks were and always have been the majority in South Africa… so there's that, also.
Nelson Mandela did what I readily would've done against those colonialist twats. I'd do it today under the same circumstances and I'd probably take immense pride and joy in it.
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Kurtz, is that you...
mmmnaked you are the perfect recruit for the ANC. You would be more than willing to put tires and gasoline around the necks of anyone whether black or white and burn them to death if they didn't hold the same believes as you. I honestly can't believe that anyone thinks that ANC SA is any better than Apartheid SA. Nelson Mandela was a founding member of the ANC which is rotten to the core with corruption. Until the ANC gets removed from power I can't see any improvement in the near future.
BTW the Aboriginal question was meant do get you thinking if Canada is any different than SA. It is just a matter of scale as you said. The Canadian government took land away. Kids were taken from families and put in residential schools. But we are still in power and Aboriginals have access to everything any other citizen has. But it took a long time, but the Canada is stable. And its Icbones not icboner. Name calling makes you look stupid.
My Canadian government never did that, I just got here 20 years ago.
Look its pretty simple… if you wanna be a colonialist twat, its within your power to do so. The Dutch and the French and the English et al. did this kinda stuff all over the world. They succeeded in some spots, and they failed in others. Where they failed, it was because the resistance of the locals was stronger than their efforts. Some regions took a long time to force the hand of revolution, others did it quickly. South Africa took several hundred years, but they got there. Did innocents die in the process? Yes. Did innocents die while the colonialist twats were taking over? YOU BETCHA. So f*** them when they get what they had coming. Life is just sort of dirty that way. Would you bend over and take it like a good boy if a foreign force was commanding your way of life under absolute authority? I hope not..
Comparing modern day Canada to what South Africa was under apartheid (as recently as 30 years ago) is a narrow-minded joke of an argument. No such class segregation exists here. It did many moons ago, but that's the way the cookie crumbled. The aboriginals (unfortunately for them) lost. The South African blacks won.
Look its pretty simple… if you wanna be a colonialist twat, its within your power to do so. The Dutch and the French and the English et al. did this kinda stuff all over the world. They succeeded in some spots, and they failed in others. Where they failed, it was because the resistance of the locals was stronger than their efforts. Some regions took a long time to force the hand of revolution, others did it quickly. South Africa took several hundred years, but they got there. Did innocents die in the process? Yes. Did innocents die while the colonialist twats were taking over? YOU BETCHA. So f*** them when they get what they had coming. Life is just sort of dirty that way. Would you bend over and take it like a good boy if a foreign force was commanding your way of life under absolute authority? I hope not..
Comparing modern day Canada to what South Africa was under apartheid (as recently as 30 years ago) is a narrow-minded joke of an argument. No such class segregation exists here. It did many moons ago, but that's the way the cookie crumbled. The aboriginals (unfortunately for them) lost. The South African blacks won.
compared to to the rest of Africa it's doing very well and for a country who's inhabitants were brutally repressed I'd say cut it a little slack.
I say, you're not a blackophobe by any chance are you? See, sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick but that's how you're coming across. Just in case I do have it right, white tents are on sale at canadian tire this week along with straw covered crucifixes and gasoline containers.
I not a blackaphobe. That would be a fear of the colour black right? I just don't have the same opinion of NM as most other people do, that's my right. May I ask you why is the rest of Africa in such bad shape that it makes SA look good? You can't blame white people for everything. Or are you a whitophobe?
Seriously, everybody who can't come up with facts to support their argument always revert to accusations of racism. In all truth I could give a hoot about NM whether he was black or white. This is the most honest thing written about him in my opinion.
All the soppy admirers of Nelson Mandela - especially the BBC - gave the new South Africa a free pass when apartheid ended 15 years ago. They wanted to believe this complicated and important nation had become a sort of heaven on Earth where all tears were dried and all problems solved.
Mr Mandela himself, personally decent but politically ineffectual and naive, served as both figurehead and figleaf for the new order. The world ignored or forgave his continuing friendships with the world's worst despots, and the fraudulent bungling that surrounded him.
Now, looking frail, bemused and ancient, he recently had to be helped on to the stage by his suspect would-be successor, to endorse the grotesque rabble who seek to succeed him.
The whole story can be read here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...s-PETER-HITCHENS-South-Africas-president.html
Or just goggle South Africa corruption
This is my last post in this loser thread. Accuse away. BTW which CTC store had the sale
Just an FYI..if you have to quote The Daily Mail from the UK...that's not really a winning strategy.
I wouldn't say Mandela was ineffectual.....for a guy who had been imprisoned by a brutal regime for 27 years then freed he had two options when he gained power after being released:
1. Revenge
2. Reconciliation
1. would have sent the nation into a bloody civil war...it was already kicking off and it could have been MUCH worse
2. was the act of someone who saw the bigger picture and it took guts.
You're the one assuming that a nation with a terrible history should either be all roses or be deemed a failure right at this moment in the present age. Funny thing is if you look at any other country with such a recent past they all have the same kind of state of evolution, look at El Salvador or any of the Central American countries that were affected by civil wars/american puppet regimes, they are all dealing with crime and poverty, but in some cases things now are much better than they were and they are getting better.
I wouldn't say Mandela was ineffectual.....for a guy who had been imprisoned by a brutal regime for 27 years then freed he had two options when he gained power after being released:
1. Revenge
2. Reconciliation
1. would have sent the nation into a bloody civil war...it was already kicking off and it could have been MUCH worse
2. was the act of someone who saw the bigger picture and it took guts.
You're the one assuming that a nation with a terrible history should either be all roses or be deemed a failure right at this moment in the present age. Funny thing is if you look at any other country with such a recent past they all have the same kind of state of evolution, look at El Salvador or any of the Central American countries that were affected by civil wars/american puppet regimes, they are all dealing with crime and poverty, but in some cases things now are much better than they were and they are getting better.
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This is just a flavor of the day. All will be forgotten in a week and people will move on to the next thing...
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