Goodbye Nelson Mandela

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That's fine and dandy, but it can get pretty annoying when all you see in Social Media quotes from Mandela with people claiming him to have done nothing wrong. I'm not sure if half of these people are aware of the acts that he committed, or who Mandela was 'down' with.
 
I really hate how the media (and people) are suddenly sanitizing everything that Mandela did. Take the good with the bad. I think later in like that Mandela tried to be an exceptionally good man, however.
 
A man's terrorist is another man's hero. Not everyone is Gandhi, freedom fighters choose different methods and sometimes, violence is needed, specially when fighting the violent.
 
One man's terrorist is always another man's freedom fighter.

To the germans in WWII the french resistance were terrorists, to the allies they were freedom fighters. History is full of examples like this. You can't look at every case with blinkers on. I think aphartheid was an evil, grossly unfair (understatement) system. No way was anything ever going to change for those people by using diplomatic means, the people involved simply thought of the coloured population as inferior and incapable. Same thing in Israel, every now and then the Israelis free a couple of Palestinians while the next day they build more settlements on more stolen land. Diplomacy doesn't get the Palestinians very far at all and never has.

Best example...look at what the IRA represented to a large majority of Americans, especially around Boston. To the english they were murderous, cowardly thugs.

Do you really think apartheid would have gone away by singing kum bay ya and handing out flowers?

^ ****..I should type faster.
 
On the very topic of violence, here is his first interview in 1961. Notice how he is a genuine fighter not a sneaky fake politician. He owns up to his methods and EXPLAINS why they need to resort to it in the face of a much more violent apartheid. [video=youtube;yXxsdrAgYfo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXxsdrAgYfo#t=198[/video]
 
ashkan said:
On the very topic of violence, here is his first interview in 1961. Notice how he is a genuine fighter not a sneaky fake politician. He owns up to his methods and EXPLAINS why they need to resort to it in the face of a much more violent apartheid.
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My issue is that they are trying to create a myth similar to the Gandhi myth. Mandela was a fighter and should be remembered as such.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
My issue is that they are trying to create a myth similar to the Gandhi myth. Mandela was a fighter and should be remembered as such.
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I agree. I compare put him up in the same category as Che. He was a fighter not a politicizing philosopher and thats exactly how he freed SA
 
Did you even open the link and read the facts presented? Or did you just automatically blow it off thinking it will be some pro america propaganda, or some sort of crazy conspiracy theorist?

Like I said, read it and take it however you see it
 
lator-illa said:
Did you even open the link and read the facts presented? Or did you just automatically blow it off thinking it will be some pro america propaganda, or some sort of crazy conspiracy theorist?

Like I said, read it and take it however you see it
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No I opened the link and saw that it was "New America" and closed it. Not because it sounds like some pro american propaganda but for previous stuff I have read.

Anyways, I regress, go on!
 
Mandela was a fighter. He had to become one. Learn about the atrocities conducted by the South African government during the 70's and 80's and you'll understand why he made his choices. But what makes Mandela exceptional is that after 27 years in prison, and after winning his country's Presidency, he chose to be a unifying force in South Africa. He was now in a position of power, but did not abuse it. He forgave.

A former U.S. President said it best.... "When Mandela could have chose the politics of resentment, he instead chose the politics of inclusion." This is why the man should be celebrated.
 
1304cc said:
Mandela was a fighter. He had to become one. Learn about the atrocities conducted by the South African government during the 70's and 80's and you'll understand why he made his choices.
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So you're ok with people who kill innocent people in shopping malls?

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Sometimes the only way to fight back against an oppressive regime...
 
Whatever road led him to the presidency, when he got there he took responsibility for the whole country, black and white. For that he deserves to be considered great.

Did he make up for all the violence he committed in the face of unrelenting suppression? South Africans (and many others) think so.

God help them now he is gone.
 
mmmnaked said:
Sometimes the only way to fight back against an oppressive regime...
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Considering the brutal taxation policies of the Canadian government, reverse onus laws, civil forfeiture laws, Bureaucrats interpreting laws to inconvenience Canadians. I guess we should all take up arms, commit atrocities, burn government offices, and the be hero's twenty years from now.

Just wondering, how well has SA done since Mandela and the ANC took power?
 
Icbones said:
Considering the brutal taxation policies of the Canadian government, reverse onus laws, civil forfeiture laws, Bureaucrats interpreting laws to inconvenience Canadians. I guess we should all take up arms, commit atrocities, burn government offices, and the be hero's twenty years from now.

Just wondering, how well has SA done since Mandela and the ANC took power?
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Don't ask me, I don't know and couldn't care less. But the native African population didn't like how whitey was running things and grass was certainly greener on the other side...so they went for the throat. Kudos to them. Colonialists tend to have it coming.
 
BTW its totally cute how you compared our way of life in Canada to a black man's life in apartheid south Africa that **** is GOLD, man.
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