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Getting out of the supersport scene...

I'm in a similar position to you, especially after riding through Europe the last 2 Septembers on 1200cc adventure bikes.

The issue for me, is that I can't fully give up my GSXR1000, that bike just puts a smile on me in a way that no other class of bike could. My 2004 (which I've owned since new) has 70,000kms. I still love the bike like I did when I bought it in 2004, but now a married man and having a wife that wants to tour with me, the GSXR won't cut it... alone that is.

I've opted for the new GS 1200 Adventure, which I'll be buying in December. I'd narrowed it down between the Tiger Explorer XC and the BMW GSA 1200.

The way I look at it is that instead of trying to find the perfect all rounder for living in the GTA and travelling far from the GTA, I'll get both. I'm getting the full blown GSA for the long haul trips we want to go on, but in my opinion, neither of the big 1200 adventure bikes were a great option for the only bike to have in the GTA. They're overkill really, too big and cumbersome to get around in.

I work downtown, and love zipping through traffic so effortlessly on my GSXR. The BMW GSA with its massive tank and fully loaded panniers, would make any type of commuting a choir to say the least. While on the other hand, those features make any 2-up longer trips outside of the city a pleasure.

In terms of your situation I understand what you're saying, but just be sure you're making the right decision. In my opinion living in the GTA for day to day riding (which will likely be the vast majority of your yearly riding) may be better suited to the bike you've already got. Be sure your don't opt for an adventure bike you can load up just because you had such a great time riding one in Europe... those roads are VERY different. You may find you miss your GSXR if you do a straight trade.
 
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I traded my 1198 for a KTM 1190 adventure this spring and have no regrets it handles like a sport bike with the bags off and is much more comfy. The seating position give much more control around town, combined with the low gearing it is a great city bike as well.

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Here's the Tiger 800:

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And the 800 XC:

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Here's an XC, all kitted out:

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If you're on a tight budget, and want something different, how about an older Triumph Tiger 955i? I love the quirky look and the big tank.

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I guess I should mention the bike I came close to buying in Easter Europe was the Africa Twin. But it doesn't seem like it was sold in Canada. You guys certainly gave me a lot to think about, glad I posted here.

Eastern Europeans consider F800 GS adventure the official replacement for Africa Twin ... well, only the people who are not stubborn enough .. .LOL
 
I can't complain about my wee Strom. I just did about 400km of gravel and some of it was pretty rough, I'm in Churchill falls on the Labrador highway -- actually in a tent beside a lake because the hotel was full.

The wee does everything I ask of it, even loaded down with luggage and my fat ass I still get about 4.5 liters per 100km, or about 400km to a tank. It's fast enough, not too heavy, and tons of after market goodies to make it yours.

I bought mine for $8299 plus HST, no freight or psi. I thought that was a decent price for a new bike. Did spend another $2k on accessories though: cases, skid plate, engine guard, Corbin seat, etc.
 
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Good stuff....how tall are you? ( just curious )

400 km on not so good gravel with a full load....pretty decent.

Any white knuckle moments?

What tires?
 
Not many white knuckle moments, the worst was coming up to manic 5 the entrance to the camp store is on a curve, paved, but littered with gravel. I couldn't use fronts because of the gravel, rear anti lock went but I made it.

I'm about 5'8 with 30" inseam. V Strom is fine for me - not flat foot when the bike is unloaded, but flat foot with the weight on.

I came from moto cross world though, grew up with a cr 125.
 
I had a 2008 DL650 with 90,000km on it before it was written off after a collision in 2012. Insurance gave me a fair value on the bike and I started shopping for a new bike. I had about $10k I wanted to spend and was looking at different brands and models. I had recently come off a KLR650, a Ninja 1000 and a VFR750. In the end, I went back and bought a brand new 2011 DL650, because at the end of the day, it was simply the best bike for what I wanted and the money. I needed a bike that was good at twisty roads, 2up with luggage, commuting, gravel and forest roads. I also needed solid reliability and a bike that has low theft risk.

Now I have 55k on this bike and it feels like it has just broken in. I average between 400-500km / tank and almost always get 400km from commuting / city riding. The aftermarket support is beyond huge. The ABS brakes are decent and can be easily upgraded to Galfer or EBC pads for a bit more feel and bite. It flicks into corners very well on the twisty roads and has a nice predictable throttle response. It handles the gravel and dirt roads with ease, as long as it's not too soft. I'm about the same weight as the OP and I ride 2up with full luggage + camping gear and it performs great and is very comfortable for my wife. All this was $8k out the door and I transferred a few of my old accessories and bought the rest along the way. It is so reliable and fun that I have no need for another bike - unless I have more cash, a bigger garage and more time.

I expect this bike to last me well over 300k and would think that it should be able to hit 500k if I keep up with a decent maintenance schedule.
 
Had my first year on my 2012 650 vstrom. Didn't ride as much as i wanted this year between some family stuff that was going on and the terrible August weather so far but am more than happy with it. Even for 2 up riding my wife loves it. Though the stock seat need replacing with something better (but thats true of almost any bike). Im thinking of getting the stock re-cut a bit lower and with some nice gel pads.
 
Try a Beadrider before you go cutting and playing with Gel. Even tho I have a high end seat the Beadrider still helps and I've done 1000 km days back to back and one 1600 km in 36 hours this spring with lots of twist riding in as well ( so a lot of saddle time for the distance )
Feels like it should not work....thousands including me swear by it. I got the Utlimate as I take it to Australia and no wood allowed.
http://www.beadrider.com/bikes/

I just finished 3200mi over 5 1/2 days of ridding with my bead rider and still felt good enough to go out and ride some more today.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234538

There are lower seats as well for the Weestrom.

I'm very pleased with the difference a Sargent seat made on my KLR650 in Australia.


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http://www.sargentcycle.com/Seats-Accessories/Sargent-Seats-Suzuki-VStrom-2012/
 
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So I've done a lot of reading about ALL the bikes you guys listed here. The Triumph 800XC is now pretty high on my list, along with the KTM Adventure 1190 and the BMW F800GS. However, they are all VERY expensive used, if they even exist at all. Selling my GSXR600, using that cash and financing the rest is an option, but it requires a commitment I am not willing to make right now.

Organizing myself to properly test ride all these bikes will take a while. A friend bought sight unseen a brand new Versys, and hated it. He sold it after one season. That's not something I'm willing to risk, especially when financing is involved.

Another factor I considered, as Krimesf4i said, I might miss my GSXR600. I know once sold I will NEVER find another one in similar shape. If you did not know my bike is 4 years old, you'd swear it just rolled off the assembly line. It's that mint.

So I decided to go the very cheapest route possible. I am looking for a good shape KLR650, while keeping my GSXR600. :D The bike barely changed in 20 years and I saw some floating on kijiji for about $2500. It already comes kitted with spoke wheels, I know the power output of the engine, it's cheap to maintain and very little can go wrong with it. If an F650 can pull 60 000km before a rebuild, I figure any KLR650 will last about that much. If I can score one for closer to $2000 I might buy it this season. Otherwise sometime during the winter of at the beginning of the next season I will buy one.

Thanks for all the input though, you guys really opened my eyes to the adventure riding options in North America. Ironically after riding sport bikes for more than 10 years in Canada, it took a trip to Europe on a beaten up, 20 year old bike to make me appreciate there are other ways of riding...
 
I don't mean to steal OP's thunder, but since we're on the same topic I thought I might ask. I feel a bit uncomfortable on an adventure bike. I've never Flat foot any of my bikes but with an adventure bike being that heavy & loaded when touring it made me rethink the adventure root. What are your thoughts?

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I don't mean to steal OP's thunder, but since we're on the same topic I thought I might ask. I feel a bit uncomfortable on an adventure bike. I've never Flat foot any of my bikes but with an adventure bike being that heavy & loaded when touring it made me rethink the adventure root. What are your thoughts?

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No worries about hijacking my thread, I got all the answers I needed. :)

I only have experience with the BMW F650 which is extremely top heavy and somewhat tall. Steel frame, long suspension travel, etc will do that. :p To give you an idea, the GSXR600 feels like a moped both in terms of weight and height. Once you get going though, all that weight becomes comfortable in a very weird way, as if it plants the bike in turns. That's what I liked in the Triumph Sprint RS 955i as well. It will never corner like a SS, but once you lean it into a bend, it just sits there. The GSXR600 is twitchy and instantly responds to all inputs.

What I'm trying to say is that you can zone out a tiny bit and enjoy the scenery on a touring or adventure bike. The SS just wants your undivided attention. :D

Not sure what to say about flat footing bikes. I'm lucky to be tall enough for any bike I ever rode. You may be able to drop the forks and get a lowering kit for whichever bike you chose. You can also shave the seat and gain an inch or so there. But don't worry about bikes being top heavy, you get used to it.

The only way you can tell what bike is right for you is to try them out. This thread contains so much great info about existing options in Canada, you just have to go out and ride them.
 
I don't mean to steal OP's thunder, but since we're on the same topic I thought I might ask. I feel a bit uncomfortable on an adventure bike. I've never Flat foot any of my bikes but with an adventure bike being that heavy & loaded when touring it made me rethink the adventure root. What are your thoughts?

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I have a Tiger 1050. Very top heavy and a pig to pick up or roll around the garage. Once it's moving though it's like a train and you forget all about it. I actually wish it was taller even though I can only just flat foot it. Sitting on other bikes makes them seem like toys now and the torque and speed from the thing are just fine. I don't think I'll ever get another style of bike as these adventure bikes have the best of all worlds and carrying on when the gravel or dirt starts is a massive bonus, especially in this province.
 
I have a Tiger 1050. Very top heavy and a pig to pick up or roll around the garage. Once it's moving though it's like a train and you forget all about it. I actually wish it was taller even though I can only just flat foot it. Sitting on other bikes makes them seem like toys now and the torque and speed from the thing are just fine. I don't think I'll ever get another style of bike as these adventure bikes have the best of all worlds and carrying on when the gravel or dirt starts is a massive bonus, especially in this province.
I used to think they are the best of both worlds but when I sat on one they were too tall, too heavy & a bit too big for me.

The Tenere is a pig, I don't know how you're supposed to handle that in dirt
 
I used to think they are the best of both worlds but when I sat on one they were too tall, too heavy & a bit too big for me.

The Tenere is a pig, I don't know how you're supposed to handle that in dirt

First time I sat on mine I thought I was going to fall off it and let it drop, seriously. Once it was going i forgot all about how tall and heavy it was. Mine is only an 80:20 road:trail bike really but I've scrambled over rocks on it (gps took me down a weird route), been through mud and gravel on it on street tires and it's been great. Once you have your feet on the pegs it isn't nearly as tippy as you think it might be and the big engines on some of these are a lot of fun. I know mine is. Sportbike- ish on the road, torquey down low. The riding comfort is really what sets the bikes apart too. Reason why I'd like mine taller is I'm comfy keeping it up with one foot on the ground and a little extra stretch to the pegs would ease my knees a little more.

in summary....don't just go by what they feel like sitting on one, take one for a spin.
 

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