Gauging interest in keyless ignition system. Please chime in

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One of my project/start-up is involved with biometric technology. Among all the applications that i'm doing, i would like to implement a keyless ignition system for motorcycles.

It might not be adopted by manufactures but its a proof of concept.

The system will involve having a device that read your cardiac rhythm which is unique and it authenticates the ignition on the motorbike through NFC (near field communication) to let the rider start the motorbike. As soon as the rider walks away from the bike, the ignition will automatically shut off the bike.

This also benefit as a safety feature in the event of dropping the bike.

The cardiac reader device can be your watch or wrist wearable. Ideally this device can be used for cars, home and banking. Its more robust and secured than finger prints.

What do you think? I appreciate any inputs, at the end of the day its still just a proof of concept of how important biometric is in the future.
 
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You need to be able to idle the bike at warm up and walk away from it.

How would you swap bikes with a friend while on a ride?

It sounds like a great idea.
 
Rotten_Ronnie said:
You need to be able to idle the bike at warm up and walk away from it.

How would you swap bikes with a friend while on a ride?

It sounds like a great idea.
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I was always told warming up engine by letting it idling is the bad idea. It can be sorted out tho.

As for sharing a ride, think of the registered rider's device as a masterkey. With a masterkey, the rider can add/remove a second key.
 
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With regard to the warming up... I ride in cold weather.

I'm looking forward to hearing more.
 
cool said:
The cardiac reader device can be your watch or wrist wearable. Ideally this device can be used for cars, home and banking. Its more robust and secured than finger prints.
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I've worked with authentication systems in the past and biometrics have always been impractical in retail applications because of the complexities and cost of the reader. If the primary authenticator is the biometric, you introduce a margin of error and extra complexity by having a separate reader that the owner has to remember to bring and wear. What if the owner already has a watch he likes, do you force him to wear an additional device on his wrist?

Successful implementations of biometrics always implement the reader as part of the system to reduce complexity and error (and also man-in-the-middle attacks from a security standpoint). So maybe build the reader into the bike itself, if that is possible?

Not familiar with cardiac rhythm biometrics, but the concern with constant polling of the reading is potential failure to acquire or a mismatch due to changing circumstances (fingerprint readers sometime don't work if new scars or cuts obscure the important data points - ridges, whorls - that make up a template), or the cross-over error rate (false positives balancing out false negative) is tweaked enough to basically become useless.

If operation of the vehicle is dependent on the constant polling, my fear would be a failure to authenticate while the bike is leaned over in a corner... Maybe have a 5 second warning to alert the user about an authentication failure, so he or she can safely pull over before the engine is cut.
 
Its a proof of concept so we cant have the reader built in... yet

You did nail on the head with finger print and thats why its not practical. We're still in development with cardiac rhythm, so far i see its more consistent than finger print, while remaining more robust than other biometrics.

You're perfectly right about the safety concern while riding. The system has to be smarter than just an on/off switch.
 
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What if the owner already has a watch he likes, do you force him to wear an additional device on his wrist?
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I'd like to add some people like myself can't stand wearing wrist watches. I especially don't like it while wearing gloves/jackets since it adds bulk to the wrist area , restricting movement or pinching.

I like built in as well, instead of carrying one more thing.

Interesting concept though.
 
Not a fan of wearables but I'm all for a secondary lock-out. NFC is an interesting idea but ultimately I don't like the idea of tying things to my phone because it's a device that is lost/replaced relatively often.
Fingerprint scanning would be ok with me if it were consistent enough (though I'm not a fan of fingerprint recording in general). Don't think the accuracy needs to be super high if used in conjunction with a key.

Other thoughts:
- Combo keypad/dial
- Throttle pattern (ie, twist the throttle on/off in a specific, customizable pattern)
- Brake pattern (similar to throttle idea except with brake lever or pedal)
- Basic hidden kill switch
 
I'm not really into biometrics for this. most cheap systems can be easily fooled.
 
The concept is cool, but I can't see how this would be better in the real world compared to the proximity start systems that cars are using now.
 
I don't know how the hell the cardiac rhythm thing would work, but the only person I've seen with this feature on a sportbike is JohnnyP636...
 
If it works, this sounds like something better suited to luxury cars and not motorbikes. I don't want to have a larger pricetag because of some gimmicky ignition system. Maybe the Goldwing riders would disagree with me. It doesn't really work as an anti-theft device on a bike though if somebody can still stuff it in a van. Maybe they can't just get on it and ride off, but how many bikes are actually stolen that way? It would be kinda neat if you could do this but I don't see the benefit really.

Is it possible to read somebody with arrhythmia btw?
 
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