Gauging interest in keyless ignition system. Please chime in

I never knew each person has a different cardiac rhythm. I need a course refund for Human Physiology
 
cardiac rhythm which is unique and it authenticates the ignition on the motorbike through NFC (near field communication)
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Keyless ignition systems are convenient and cool. You authentication system is single factor ("something you are") and single factor authentication systems are easily defeated. Furthermore, you seem to have used the identification component (cardiac rhythm) as the authentication factor. What mechanism are you using to identify the rider prior to providing the authentication? If you are going to forego the identification of the rider, you should consider a two factor authentication system where the rider must provide a second factor to authorise use of the motorcycle. This could be the key ("something you have") or a code entered through a key pad or similar ("something you know").

Without the key to hand, how does the rider open the gas cap to fill the tank with gas if they have a keyless ignition system? It's too easy to forget the gas cap key and get stranded with no way to fill the tank (or open luggage, or lift the seat). If you have to carry a key around for these additional chores, what convenience has the keyless ignition bought you (and at what expense)?
 
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robmack said:
Keyless ignition systems are convenient and cool. You authentication system is single factor ("something you are") and single factor authentication systems are easily defeated. Furthermore, you seem to have used the identification component (cardiac rhythm) as the authentication factor. What mechanism are you using to identify the rider prior to providing the authentication? If you are going to forego the identification of the rider, you should consider a two factor authentication system where the rider must provide a second factor to authorise use of the motorcycle. This could be the key ("something you have") or a code entered through a key pad or similar ("something you know").

Without the key to hand, how does the rider open the gas cap to fill the tank with gas if they have a keyless ignition system? It's too easy to forget the gas cap key and get stranded with no way to fill the tank (or open luggage, or lift the seat). If you have to carry a key around for these additional chores, what convenience has the keyless ignition bought you (and at what expense)?
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good points!

DAMN! by the time I read that I was thinking I would have had my bike started and been x distance by the end of what you wrote.
A key works, leave it alone.
 
spare key works even better ....nothing worse on a trip.

I dropped mine inside the lining of the riding gear. Spent two hours turning hotel room and gear inside out trying to find it.
Fortunately had a spare. Rode part way home and then getting gas heard something clink....right at the bottom of the lining in the cuff....replacement keys can be expensive including for luggage.

Don't think a bike needs keyless. Even coded keys are a nightmare...ask Lightcycle.
 
robmack said:
Keyless ignition systems are convenient and cool. You authentication system is single factor ("something you are") and single factor authentication systems are easily defeated. Furthermore, you seem to have used the identification component (cardiac rhythm) as the authentication factor. What mechanism are you using to identify the rider prior to providing the authentication? If you are going to forego the identification of the rider, you should consider a two factor authentication system where the rider must provide a second factor to authorise use of the motorcycle. This could be the key ("something you have") or a code entered through a key pad or similar ("something you know").

Without the key to hand, how does the rider open the gas cap to fill the tank with gas if they have a keyless ignition system? It's too easy to forget the gas cap key and get stranded with no way to fill the tank (or open luggage, or lift the seat). If you have to carry a key around for these additional chores, what convenience has the keyless ignition bought you (and at what expense)?
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I have a bike with keyless ignition (Multistrada). The fob is also the key for the fuel tank and luggage so when you stop for gas you have to dig through you pockets for the key which is a pain. If you do lose the key you can enter a 4 digit PIN that allows you to start the bike. You gotta hope you have enough gas to get home because you won't be opening the fuel tank without a key.
 
I think most people have hit the nail on the head: Why biometrics?

You've got to be crisp as to what the value being offered here is:

Is it ease-of-use? Walk up to the bike, hit the starter and go, then put the kickstand down and walk away? If so, then adding 2nd factors of authentication (reader, key, typing in a code) kills this value proposition.

Is it security? If so, what is the value of the additional cost and complexity when all it takes is two guys and a van to defeat the technology.

What I'm seeing as the primary use case for biometrics in vehicles today is personalization. Car senses who you are, adjusts the seats, mirrors and climate control to your preferences. If it malfunctions, it's not critical functionality and you go back to changing the radio station with the button on the dashboard. Not sure how this relates to motorcycles or whether the technology will be cheap and reliable enough in the future to make ignition dependent on it.

If I'm on a tour somewhere thousands of miles away from a dealer or home, there's no way I'm relying on biometrics to make my bike run.
 
For the Diavel I carry my transponder on a lanyard, which is kept in my tail bag. On that lanyard is a fox whistle, key for the tank. I also keep a tank key in my pocket so when I pull into a gas station take that out and voila. The tank key is not the same that came with the bike, Rizoma. To be honest love the fact that I do not need a key to start or shut off the engine.
All nice and simple.
 
A successful implementation of biometrics from my point of view, are the biometric quick draw gun boxes. For the times when you can't go searching for your key, or to punch in a code, or turn the combination lock, it is a great storage unit to have in the event you need to get to your firearm and also ensures other people in the house don't get in (again, not professional thieves, but just the curious). I plan to have biometric locks in my house or at the minimum keypads.
 
I got a brand new pair of roller skates. I got a brand new key. I'd like to have the biometric adjustment.
 
i'd go with a keypad plus key

Ie put the key in at beginning of the day - key your code in and ride all day keyless. End of day code in for a lock out.

Now here's the benefit....bike can be started with either key or keypad

Skip the biometrics - just a key alternative that serves two purposes

Burgman 650 has a magnetic system that you can close a cover over the ignition and you have to use YOUR key to open it ( the magnetic system is on the other end of the key)
NO ONE uses it that I know and couple people havew ended up being locked out as they closed it ( which any of the keys can do, ) but had a replacement key that would not open it ( there is a work around which is tedious.

Useless complication.....as mentioned couple guys with a van can defeat it.

Better we had something like the find my iPhone app that can locate your bike anywhere. The minute it's in range of any cell or wireless network it locates the bike and phones and emails home.

Unbelievable “Find My iPhone” Stories: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
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http://iphone.appstorm.net/general/...iphone-stories-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/
 
What's wrong with a key? Trying to reinvent the wheel?

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