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Gas bill separation - suspicion
- Thread starter sburns
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I tried to buy out the balance of my rental and it was 3 times the value of putting in a new water heater. It's been in our house for 12 years. It has been paid for.
I received the first notice by email from Enercare in early July advising of the switch. I received a total of 9 email to date to be reminded that the switch was happening, my bill was mailed, I should have received my bill, my bill is due on X date, thanking me for the payment (paid 1 week early) and ANOTHER f**king reminder the bill was due on X date AFTER they acknowledged receipt of payment.
Me thinks I am blocking Enercare email going forward.
I received the first notice by email from Enercare in early July advising of the switch. I received a total of 9 email to date to be reminded that the switch was happening, my bill was mailed, I should have received my bill, my bill is due on X date, thanking me for the payment (paid 1 week early) and ANOTHER f**king reminder the bill was due on X date AFTER they acknowledged receipt of payment.
Me thinks I am blocking Enercare email going forward.
Good timing for this thread.
I got my notice of the change a few months ago, set up an account with pre-authorized payment. Working well so far.........
House occupied in December 1986. We purchased it in Feb. 1989 and assumed tank rental. Gas, 50 gal. Tank started leaking slowly in 2008 and it was replaced within a day or so. Good service IMO. New tank payment period was 15 years...... ended in 2023. Buyout is zero, but there is a $100 fee.
I forgot to ask Enercare about the tank pickup process or if there is a cost for this?
So........... I've started to look at 50g gas replacement tanks at Home Depot.
This unit seems to have a decent warranty and middle of the road price at $1,445.
I'm going to get HD to quote an installed price sometime next couple of weeks. Anyone have any negative experiences with HD on this type of install? Recommendations for another company or heater? Any feedback appreciated.
I got my notice of the change a few months ago, set up an account with pre-authorized payment. Working well so far.........
House occupied in December 1986. We purchased it in Feb. 1989 and assumed tank rental. Gas, 50 gal. Tank started leaking slowly in 2008 and it was replaced within a day or so. Good service IMO. New tank payment period was 15 years...... ended in 2023. Buyout is zero, but there is a $100 fee.
I forgot to ask Enercare about the tank pickup process or if there is a cost for this?
So........... I've started to look at 50g gas replacement tanks at Home Depot.
This unit seems to have a decent warranty and middle of the road price at $1,445.
I'm going to get HD to quote an installed price sometime next couple of weeks. Anyone have any negative experiences with HD on this type of install? Recommendations for another company or heater? Any feedback appreciated.
As NG gas is climbing rapidly, I would investigate heat pump hot water. May be more upfront (tank is more but trades may be less depending on your situation) but should be far cheaper to run than other options. If you don't use much hot water, it may never pay off wrt NG though.
Waiting for heat pump heater heaters to come down in price. Resistance electric with a drain heat recovery still seems like the best bang for the buck. I have a on demand resistance electric unit after a 60 gallon tank heated by the ground source heat pump. it has electric elements but I only let them run a couple times a week to make sure no legionnaires disease. Works great for showers endless hot water.
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Dirty Frank
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40 amps to freedom.
We bought out our 12 yr old rental when we moved in for$850ish , not a great investment but in needed enercare gone. It’s now saved beyond the buyout and every day is free . My furnace hvac guy said just buy a tank in the future , avoid tankless and for two people in 2,400sq dont do a heat pump yet. In his opinion, the service required eats the savings ( and he’s the guy getting paid)
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Girls moved out 10- 12 years ago. I periodically checked behind their ears for gills, as they seemed to live in the shower, as well as running the washing machine once a day for one blouse or one pair of pants.
There are just the 2 of us now, so payback might not be there, I'll take a look.
Chris-CJ
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Swapped the rental storage water heater for a tankless on-demand sold and installed by A1 Air Oakville.
No regrets and it works well.
I may have different experiences than most here. I had two water heater exchanged since I purchased my home. When I moved in the heater was already 10 years old. Still working fine. After 5 more years i called up Enercare and told them I want it replaced free of charge due to age, efficiency, risk of leak etc. Same with the replacement. After 13 years. They had no issues with replacing it. No costs to me. Same size, same monthly costs. If you look at the table after a certain amount of years based on the model etc. You, can buy it out for almost nothing. So they know that and will exchange it free to keep youn as a customer.
I did the math over the years. It would be cheaper to buy your own and pay to have it installed. But the cost difference was something like $1,000 over 10 years. So the way I see it. $100 more per year gives me peace of mind if anything went wrong the cost would be Enercares. Ive had maybe 3 service calls over the years, at no cost to me. I asked the repair guy what he would of charged. So in the end I probably broke even. But have peace of mind if anything does go wrong. They fix it. I will also say they all came same day service. So no complaints from me.
I did the math over the years. It would be cheaper to buy your own and pay to have it installed. But the cost difference was something like $1,000 over 10 years. So the way I see it. $100 more per year gives me peace of mind if anything went wrong the cost would be Enercares. Ive had maybe 3 service calls over the years, at no cost to me. I asked the repair guy what he would of charged. So in the end I probably broke even. But have peace of mind if anything does go wrong. They fix it. I will also say they all came same day service. So no complaints from me.
I'm thinking of going electric. I can install and service it myself. SImple low tech. There's just the two of us so high capapcity isn't a big deal. No intake / exhaust vents etc.
Payback should be less than two years except for the blackmail. I dread to ask what that will be.
Payback should be less than two years except for the blackmail. I dread to ask what that will be.
sburns
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Are you talking about going with an on-demand type system? I'd be curious how that pans out. I don't need a lot of hot water myself I've thought of going that route. But I also turn down my tank by 1 setting so it doesn't need to come on all that often.
I'm old fashioned. A 40 to 60 gallon tank from HD should be well under $1000. If we get a lot of company rent a pickup, put them in the back and go through a car wash.
On demand electric isn't a viable option for most people. Absolutely crazy power required relative to supply of most houses. 100+ amps is common.
I’d like to upgrade to 200 amps on principle Hydro went underground here a few years back and I’m sure they allowed for more power.
The upgrade would be the panel and breakers. A couple of friends are LECs so minimal labour costs. I’d do a lot of the small stuff, cleaning up add ons and sorting offs and ends.
I need to update this to 9 email and one "Final Reminder" notice by mail requesting payment unless already paid.
Fed up with Enercare. Hours on the phone to fix a minor billing issue. Dealing with people that can barely speak English. Buy out is a grand and pay back for me owning my own is another two and a half years. Cost of aggravation is priceless.
I corrected them. They were not experiencing a high volume of calls. They were understaffed.
I corrected them. They were not experiencing a high volume of calls. They were understaffed.
POWERMAN
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