Theres a large amount of irony in your last point that I won't point out. As I said...the death of common decency.
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Funeral Convoy: What to do?
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Theres a large amount of irony in your last point that I won't point out. As I said...the death of common decency.
Sadly decency has been dying a slow death for decades.
One problem is that people are either considerate or inconsiderate and there isn't a switch on the back of a person's head that they switch from nice to nasty as they choose. To expect a person to suddenly switch to nice mode when encountering a procession when they are normally agressive is unrealistic.
If people in smaller communities can continue the respect more power to them. For Toronto the writing is on the wall.
I will respect a procession as best I can without endangering myself but sooner or later the long processions will have to stop.
RandomHero
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Yes I agree, only indecent people expect others to just allow them to run reds and completely **** traffic as well as possibly putting others at risk. Like I said with my experience not to long ago, I didn't even know it was a funeral until I drove past them and saw the sign on their cars. Before that all I could tell was that some ****ing moron was sitting in the middle of the intersection trying to run a red blaring on his horn. There's a reason why they require police for you to run reds. Doing so without them does nothing but cause confusion and chaos for any motorist in the area.
As I said previously, if that many people care about parading around for some dead person they can all pitch in a hire an escort. Not doing so is a piece of **** move and is putting other people at risk so they can save a few dollars. I don't understand the need to cater to people who think they're above the law.
Griffin
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And some folks are so set in their thinking that no facts will get in the way of changing their point of view. Carry on with your point of view sir.
Absolutely - Very well put Rob
Jc100 is bang on, the day a close death happens to any of you, the last thing you are going to want to have to deal with is ******** that can't wait a few min to continue to their so called important life.
So sad how self absorbed people are these days
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Can you please provide some references regarding this effect? I'm really curious to read the research.
Griffin
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I got it from traffic engineers when addressing emergency responder options for traffic control. I don't know the source.
Ah, okay. I see. Thanks for the info.
I'm split on this issue. I understand paying your respects and helping the grieving friends and familys reach their destination, but dislike the lack of planning that goes into these things.
In a rural setting, there are few problems, running a procession from downtown TO to north of the city creates chaos.
Planning a procession during rush hour should be forbidden. It's not like these things spontaneously occur, plan them during low traffic times and take single lane roads. Taking a road with multiple lanes just multiplies the impact of the slow-moving procession.
More funeral homes need to tell people to turn on their hazards, half the time, you don't realize it's a procession until you are in the middle of it and then what do you do? Pulling over at that point is awkward and creates a ripple back through the procession.
Processions shouldn't be allowed to be hundreds of cars long. Like other organized groups, split up into manageable chunks.
The worst driving I have ever witnessed on public roads (extreme speeding, driving into oncoming traffic, driving up the shoulder) is by police officers on funeral escort duty. I am surprised more people don't get killed. The police seem to use it as a justification to do whatever they want and use public roads as a racetrack. It would make a lot more sense if society wants to allow funeral processions to put a car with light pre-emption at the front and back of the procession. Can the pre-emption system recognize multiple signals? Then you could program the system to keep the light green until the end signal is received.
If done with some care and planning a procession can be a somber and important part of the ceremony, but some people have lost touch with reality and believe that entire areas of cities must come to a standstill because someone they care about has died (and then force everybody to comply with their version of reality by using police).
In a rural setting, there are few problems, running a procession from downtown TO to north of the city creates chaos.
Planning a procession during rush hour should be forbidden. It's not like these things spontaneously occur, plan them during low traffic times and take single lane roads. Taking a road with multiple lanes just multiplies the impact of the slow-moving procession.
More funeral homes need to tell people to turn on their hazards, half the time, you don't realize it's a procession until you are in the middle of it and then what do you do? Pulling over at that point is awkward and creates a ripple back through the procession.
Processions shouldn't be allowed to be hundreds of cars long. Like other organized groups, split up into manageable chunks.
The worst driving I have ever witnessed on public roads (extreme speeding, driving into oncoming traffic, driving up the shoulder) is by police officers on funeral escort duty. I am surprised more people don't get killed. The police seem to use it as a justification to do whatever they want and use public roads as a racetrack. It would make a lot more sense if society wants to allow funeral processions to put a car with light pre-emption at the front and back of the procession. Can the pre-emption system recognize multiple signals? Then you could program the system to keep the light green until the end signal is received.
If done with some care and planning a procession can be a somber and important part of the ceremony, but some people have lost touch with reality and believe that entire areas of cities must come to a standstill because someone they care about has died (and then force everybody to comply with their version of reality by using police).
Griffin
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Escort duty is one of the riskier tasks coppers take on.
The light pre-emption isn't an option. Typically its only used in small to middle sized communities because it screws up traffic too much and the affect on dense populated areas of creating gridlock for kms offsets the gain made to emergency responders. In those areas that use it, most require an optical transmitter on each vehicle to cycle the light. This is switching to electronic but most are still optical at this point. Also, they have to be prioritized. Who has priority, the funeral or the ambulance? It seems like many posting here think the ambulance should stop for ten minutes to let the parade pass.
I'd say this is the most coherent and well thought out post in the thread.
silent_vik
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ditto.
if its too much. just pull over to a side street or a plaza and wait 2 minutes.. respect above all else.
EngineerJoe
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You're not the only one...
Sabex
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I would just like to say; expecting hundreds, maybe thousand of people, to put their own life on standby for a few minutes, no-matter the reason, is also pretty arrogant and selfish.
It's a double-sided sword. Someone is going to come out looking like a jackass either way.
When I die, my funeral will (hopefully) be just a few people, standing around a man-dug grave with my rotting corpse buried 10ft deep underground.
No casket. No funeral. No wake. No hearse. Just a corpse buried in the ground, so those that I care about don't have to fork out thousands of dollars. Because it will have no effect on me, I'm already dead. I can't see, hear, or smell anything going on; I'm non-existent. Spending another cent on me is a complete waste of said money that could be spent bettering their lives.
All this being said: I would happily pull to the side and wait a few minutes for a grieving family to pay respect to their loved ones. But I also don't expect, and won't force (or harrass) anyone else to.
Biker Tigress
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About a month ago, I went to a small town north of Toronto to attend a relative's funeral. There was a procession to the cemetery. I was deeply touched to see that everyone, from truckers, police who were not involved, and pedestrians (even those not waiting to cross the road) all stopped. It was out of respect.
When a life is lost, that is a very heavy thing! In Toronto, I will always wait, with head bowed and a prayer, until a procession has passed, whenever it is safe to do so.
When a life is lost, that is a very heavy thing! In Toronto, I will always wait, with head bowed and a prayer, until a procession has passed, whenever it is safe to do so.
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