French Election 2017

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jc100 said:
There's been terrorist attacks on and off in Europe all over since the 70s.
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j2 said:
That's quite a silly comment.

A distant family relation was a guy called Bobby Sands. He was the first IRA hunger striker to die. He was a Protestant.

The one time Chief of Staff for the IRA was a guy called Seán Mac StÃ*ofáin, born John Edward Drayton Stephenson in Leytonstone, London, his father was English, his mother an Ulster Protestant from East Belfast.

Google it if you don't believe me.

The IRA didn't discriminate based on religion, they were politically motivated, not religiously motivated.

Similar situition the first time around and for hundreds of years before that. The fight for independence was lead by people like Wolfe Tone, Henry Joy McCracken, Charles Stewart Parnell, Edward Fitzgerald and others who lead the United Irishmen movement. In fact most of the United Irishmen were Presbyterians with very few Catholics. These were the direct descendants of today's political parties in Ireland.

Even Protestant writers, poets and actors got into the act. For example WB Yeats was a prominent Republican.

Another interesting point is that la Quince Brigada in the Spanish civil war were predominately Irish, made up of both Protestant and Catholic vollenteers from both the north and south of Ireland.

The average person in Ireland had very little to fear from the IRA

I went to Queens in Belfast in the 80's. Never felt threatened because or my "Religon"

But what would I know. I have an engineering degree with a minor in Irish History
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Thanks for the info.
The part I bold...That was my impression they were political basically telling England to F-off and give us our country.
Feel free to correct me here, but all of this groups essentially shared the same bible/religion???
 
jc100 said:
There's been terrorist attacks on and off in Europe all over since the 70s. It's managed just fine. The French will be fine.
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And that is okay in your world...just par for the course.
That's a way for people to live?

If you do not like the French (whoever) then leave them alone and stick to your country and the greatness of your country (context, to be kept in this time period not what happened 100 years ago).

If you have a problem with a country then target their military or politicians, you do not target the general public.
 
j2 said:
That's quite a silly comment.

A distant family relation was a guy called Bobby Sands. He was the first IRA hunger striker to die. He was a Protestant.

The one time Chief of Staff for the IRA was a guy called Seán Mac StÃ*ofáin, born John Edward Drayton Stephenson in Leytonstone, London, his father was English, his mother an Ulster Protestant from East Belfast.

Google it if you don't believe me.

The IRA didn't discriminate based on religion, they were politically motivated, not religiously motivated.

Similar situition the first time around and for hundreds of years before that. The fight for independence was lead by people like Wolfe Tone, Henry Joy McCracken, Charles Stewart Parnell, Edward Fitzgerald and others who lead the United Irishmen movement. In fact most of the United Irishmen were Presbyterians with very few Catholics. These were the direct descendants of today's political parties in Ireland.

Even Protestant writers, poets and actors got into the act. For example WB Yeats was a prominent Republican.

Another interesting point is that la Quince Brigada in the Spanish civil war were predominately Irish, made up of both Protestant and Catholic vollenteers from both the north and south of Ireland.

The average person in Ireland had very little to fear from the IRA

I went to Queens in Belfast in the 80's. Never felt threatened because or my "Religon"

But what would I know. I have an engineering degree with a minor in Irish History
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Not a silly comment at all considering "sectarian violence" was an oft used phrase during the troubles and that factories existed where Protestants would not hire Catholics.
 
-D- said:
And that is okay in your world...just par for the course.
That's a way for people to live?

If you do not like the French (whoever) then leave them alone and stick to your country and the greatness of your country (context, to be kept in this time period not what happened 100 years ago).

If you have a problem with a country then target their military or politicians, you do not target the general public.
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Name one place that's never been affected by terrorism of one kind or another? It's quite difficult. No, it's not something that should be par for the course but it isn't out of the ordinary.
 
Someone tell me the difference between terrorism because of political views instead of religious views ....for the dead. Terrorism is terrorism, no matter the reason, no?
 
Just checking in to see if any feminist have called to attention the obvious misogyny and sexism at work here.
 
Riceburner said:
Someone tell me the difference between terrorism because of political views instead of religious views ....for the dead. Terrorism is terrorism, no matter the reason, no?
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That's what I believe....even some criminal acts are terrorist in nature. I think in the last few years though people hear the word "terrorist" and it's usually an image of a middle eastern person that springs to mind.
 
I blame Russian hacking for the outcome of that election
 
jc100 said:
Name one place that's never been affected by terrorism of one kind or another? It's quite difficult. No, it's not something that should be par for the course but it isn't out of the ordinary.
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What I think is completely out of the ordinary is willingly importing hordes of the very same people whose 'fringes' are currently committing terrorism around the world.

Its like MADD handing out booze on highway on-ramps.
 
jc100 said:
There's been terrorist attacks on and off in Europe all over since the 70s. It's managed just fine. The French will be fine.
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15 attacks in 5 years and almost all (or all) Islamic Terrorism. Did any other country in western Europe even come close? Maybe Germany which is of course another immigration hot spot from majority Muslim countries. There is a clear correlation and while Europe has always had a terrorist attack here and there spread throughout all countries, these are extremely frequent attacks happening over and over in the same countries.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33288542
 
Riceburner said:
Someone tell me the difference between terrorism because of political views instead of religious views ....for the dead. Terrorism is terrorism, no matter the reason, no?
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For that matter, someone tell me the difference between killing someone for terrorism and killing someone for their shoes, or their truck, or domestic violence. Killing is killing, no matter the reason, no?
 
mmmnaked said:
What I think is completely out of the ordinary is willingly importing hordes of the very same people whose 'fringes' are currently committing terrorism around the world.

Its like MADD handing out booze on highway on-ramps.
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Breeding hordes c/w chip on shoulder. 2050 is going to be a good vintage.
 
fastar1 said:
For that matter, someone tell me the difference between killing someone for terrorism and killing someone for their shoes, or their truck, or domestic violence. Killing is killing, no matter the reason, no?
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Idiotic remark, no offense. OK a little offense.
 
Look at the mid 70s https://qz.com/558597/charted-terror-attacks-in-western-europe-from-the-1970s-to-now/

You "see" more now due to internet access to social media and news articles. That's not to say there isn't a problem that needs addressing but if you think Europe is going to implode due to terrorist attacks recently then that's not something that history bears out. That is a narrative that fearmongers love to use though.

I guess there's an argument about whether the type or driving force of the terrorism has changed. In the past it was either more territorial (ETA) or fringe political (Bader Meinhof or Red Hand Gang). The IRA did have a sectarian element to it along with the Protestant equivalent in the north but even that became more of a criminal enterprise near the end with extortions and protection rackets.
 
inreb said:
Breeding hordes c/w chip on shoulder. 2050 is going to be a good vintage.
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Those hordes don't have madrassas in the countries they come to and the security services are doing their best to keep it that way if you look.
 
jc100 said:
Those hordes don't have madrassas in the countries they come to and the security services are doing their best to keep it that way if you look.
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What other group of immigrants and refugees need special security to "keep it that way"? Regular police services can handle regular people. At least you admitted there's a unique problem. Around here that's a big win.
 
fastar1 said:
For that matter, someone tell me the difference between killing someone for terrorism and killing someone for their shoes, or their truck, or domestic violence. Killing is killing, no matter the reason, no?
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Killing someone for their shoes vs killing someone to further a political or religious agenda is completely different. You really need this explained to you? Just look up the dictionary definition of terrorism ffs.

I gotta agree with bernie on this one.... completely idiotic remark.
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