Ford F150 Chinese Knock Off

[SunnY S]

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On the other hand the Chinese were able to build a 4 banger diesel engine to put in their cars. NA still can't make a diesel compact car. Pathetic.

Nonsense.

Several manufacturers, including US ones, had diesels on the drawing board for North America, and smartly canned them fairly recently.

Diesels stink, they pollute, and they are noisy, and diesel isn't cheap. BMW and M B have diesel engines that need a shot of Urea fluid to keep its pollutions in check. Thats more expense and hassle for the owner to worry about.

BMW 3 series with extra port to accept Urea shot :

Diesel is a BAD idea. The China guys have no clue. The auto manu's are catching on.

The future is hybrid and electrics.


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[daught]

Also, with modern technology, we have been able to squeeze more and more out of smaller and smaller engines, that sip less and less fuel, to the point where diesels are becoming irrelevant from a pure fuel economy perspective. They may regain their relevance on the passenger car market if we adopt biofuels - both biodiesel and algal diesel.

Yea, a bunch of technology that is making everything ridiculously complicated. I'll take a small TDI over these over engineered engines and hybrids any day.

Nonsense.

Several manufacturers, including US ones, had diesels on the drawing board for North America, and smartly canned them fairly recently.

Diesels stink, they pollute, and they are noisy, and diesel isn't cheap. BMW and M B have diesel engines that need a shot of Urea fluid to keep its pollutions in check. Thats more expense and hassle for the owner to worry about.

BMW 3 series with extra port to accept Urea shot :

Diesel is a BAD idea. The China guys have no clue. The auto manu's are catching on.

The future is hybrid and electrics.


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Your perception of diesel cars is outdated. So what if you have to ad inexpensive urea? It's nothing compared to hybrid maintenance costs.

A diesel car can haul and tow a lot more than your average high efficiency gas car.

 

[FiReSTaRT]

Diesels stink, they pollute, and they are noisy, and diesel isn't cheap.

Actually, all of that is false these days. The technology really picked up and dealt with those issues. They're still relevant, especially when you need to haul stuff as you can get more out of a smaller engine. That's why I'd be putting 2.5-3.0l diesels in small-mid sized pickups and vans (including minivans) almost routinely.

Yea, a bunch of technology that is making everything ridiculously complicated. I'll take a small TDI over these over engineered engines and hybrids any day.




Your perception of diesel cars is outdated. So what if you have to ad inexpensive urea? It's nothing compared to hybrid maintenance costs.

A diesel car can haul and tow a lot more than your average high efficiency gas car.

I was personally referring to regular cars, not hybrids, but I agree with you on everything. As for urea.. That's better/cheaper/simpler than dealing with expensive batteries that will need to be serviced.

 

[SunnY S]

Your perception of diesel cars is outdated. So what if you have to ad inexpensive urea? It's nothing compared to hybrid maintenance costs.

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So what if I have to add Urea? If you run out of Urea on your 3 series, the car won't start. Only the dealer can refill it. What a bother.


So, I pay MORE for the diesel option, pay more for diesel gas, get a slower car compared to its gas counterparts, diesel maintenance costs are higher, live with a noisier engine with diesel clatter esp when cold, and the engine runs out of breath in the higher revs.

No thanks.


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[SunnY S]

I was personally referring to regular cars, not hybrids, but I agree with you on everything. As for urea.. That's better/cheaper/simpler than dealing with expensive batteries that will need to be serviced.

Buy a Hyundai. Lifetime warranty on the battery.

As for the others...

"With more than 100,000 Honda hybrids on the road, the automaker told Newsweek that fewer than 200 had a battery fail after the warranty expired. That’s a 0.002 likelihood. Toyota says its out-of-warranty battery replacement rate is 0.003 percent—or one out of 40,000 Priuses—for the second generation Prius. Based on this rate, and the fact that very few of the second-generation Priuses have been driven beyond the warranty period, perhaps fewer than a dozen have had battery failures after the warranty expired. Replacement rates for the first generation Prius was closer to 1 percent."


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[D23]

Inventions such as ABS, dimming mirrors were not invented at the same time......that's why they are patented so no one else can use that idea for a couple years.......I don't recall any idea coming from china?

That's what I said. There weren't invented at the same time. They were copied because that's what manufacturers do. And I don't recall saying and idea came from china.... please quote where I said that?

LOL

If you "only buy domestics" then in a way, you do shop at wallmart

Name any POS from the US and there is a better car from Japan regardless if it's in performance, luxury, innovations, fuel economy, reliability whatever catagory or simply just holding it's value.

Trucks yes. Cars.... LMFAO.

Unless depreciation is something you look for in a vehicle. Then yea, USA #1

Two good cars from the US.... Viper, Vette. Both nowhere near the best in their class but they are the only cars worth mentioning.

 

[murf]

That's what I said. There weren't invented at the same time. They were copied because that's what manufacturers do. And I don't recall saying and idea came from china.... please quote where I said that?

LOL

If you "only buy domestics" then in a way, you do shop at wallmart

Name any POS from the US and there is a better car from Japan regardless if it's in performance, luxury, innovations, fuel economy, reliability whatever catagory or simply just holding it's value.

Trucks yes. Cars.... LMFAO.

Unless depreciation is something you look for in a vehicle. Then yea, USA #1

Two good cars from the US.... Viper, Vette. Both nowhere near the best in their class but they are the only cars worth mentioning.

didn't the Cruz win awards here and in Europe? Ford Focus comes to mind, the Equinox as well.
Those Suzuki products from Japan that are always at the bottom in quality surveys are something aren't they? Lol

and what from Honda or Toyota competes with a Vette?

 

[crankcall]

BMW bluetec diesel produces as much as 25% LESS CO2 as a comparable gasoline engine. The reburn feature cycling back thru the turbo makes them very clean. It doesnt smell any worse than any other car.
The fuel mileage is exceptional. Dollar for dollar the maintenence on my diesel cars is no worse than my gas cars. There are 3 gas and 2 diesels in the driveway and i pay the maintenance on all of it, believe me i know.
If diesel was a bad idea it wouldn't be the most popular vehicle in Europe, new diesel is quiet, fast and low maintenance and has been proven to be less pollutant than equivalent gas engines in most cases.

I change my synth oil every 12k on a deisel, you change gas engine 4-5K? wheres your dirty oil go?

 

[D23]

didn't the Cruz win awards here and in Europe? Ford Focus comes to mind, the Equinox as well.
Those Suzuki products from Japan that are always at the bottom in quality surveys are something aren't they? Lol

and what from Honda or Toyota competes with a Vette?

Your right, it doesn't compete with a Vette, it wipes it's *** with it....

 

[murf]

Not in production?

you need to look at some relevent quality data instead of that stuff from the 1980s
we don't judge Hyundai from their 1980s product do we?

 

[turbodish]

I change my synth oil every 12k on a deisel, you change gas engine 4-5K? wheres your dirty oil go?

Into making fresh diesel fuel? ;-)

http://wasteoildiesel.com/

 

[D23]

Not in production?

OMFG

.....by relevant you mean reports on American cars by American magazines and websites for dumb *** American consumers that eat the **** they are fed and ask for seconds?

I'm wasting my time here.

Have a good day Murf

 

[RockerGuy]

Actually, all of that is false these days. The technology really picked up and dealt with those issues. They're still relevant, especially when you need to haul stuff as you can get more out of a smaller engine. That's why I'd be putting 2.5-3.0l diesels in small-mid sized pickups and vans (including minivans) almost routinely.

I've heard burning biodiesel smells like fried chicken, yummy.

Buy a Hyundai. Lifetime warranty on the battery.

As for the others...

"With more than 100,000 Honda hybrids on the road, the automaker told Newsweek that fewer than 200 had a battery fail after the warranty expired. That’s a 0.002 likelihood. Toyota says its out-of-warranty battery replacement rate is 0.003 percent—or one out of 40,000 Priuses—for the second generation Prius. Based on this rate, and the fact that very few of the second-generation Priuses have been driven beyond the warranty period, perhaps fewer than a dozen have had battery failures after the warranty expired. Replacement rates for the first generation Prius was closer to 1 percent."


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Hey, weren't u the guy that despises Hyundai?
All rechargeables are bound to go, its not a finite storage device. When they go, it is expensive to replace. There was an article not too long ago that the manufacturers were not making profit from hybrid vehicles, there were more of an ad for the company to boast about how green they are going. Have u ever priced out the cost of a rechargeable Li-ion battery for your laptop? Multiply that by a few hundred times.

Another point is, the energy they used to mine the Li and produce the car and battery highly exceeds that of a typical gasoline engine. So there is no free lunch, u use fossil fuels or nuclear fuel in manufacturing the hybrid, but a gasoline engine uses most of its fossil fuels during its term of use.

 

[murf]

OMFG

.....by relevant you mean reports on American cars by American magazines and websites for dumb *** American consumers that eat the **** they are fed and ask for seconds?

I'm wasting my time here.

Have a good day Murf

By relevant being the same quality reports and surveys Toyota quotes in their advertisements.



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