Fire arm control

I like the idea of CCW, at the very least because having that license would be much less restrictive in terms of storing and transporting that firearm. No need for ATT, no ridiculous hassling if you stop at a drive-thru between a residence and a range and you get pulled over for some reason. In terms of self-defence? Maybe. There would have to be significant changes to Canadian law for CCW to happen, though, because it is not easy to legally justify the use of a firearm in self-defence, regardless of whether or not you were carrying it lawfully.

rutakin said:
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the road rage in the GTA is bad enough, imagine those individuals armed.
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You guys know that CCW already exists under canadian law right? It's just that administratively the province will never issued the permit.

the permit is called an ATC or authorization to carry...as far as I know, about a dozen people in ontario have one....mostly people like judges, important officials etc.
 
wow what sort of violence are people encountering that they need a gun to protect themselves? I've lived in this country for over 30 years and rarely encounter a situation that I felt a gun would have resolved it. And I don't mean to avoid a fist fight let's pull out a hand gun to solve it. Or road rage incidents. Or co-workers and bosses giving me a hard time I need a gun to feel secure.

But than again I rarely wander the streets at night but my dad did waiting for a late night bus after getting off from work. Someone kidnapped him and robbed him of everything. I wonder what if my dad had a gun too what would this lead to? What if the kidnappers also had a gun and feared for their live so they'd shoot my dad before he can get his shot off.

You can legally get rifles to protect your home but handguns I think are bad ideas. Best protection is to stay away from high crime areas and travel in 2 or more at night. All this I was taught as a kid. Bear mace would be handy too. You should only have a gun if you feel someone will take your life away not because you're scared of some verbal confrontation.
 
Dohhh said:
We have 70,000 police officers in canada who carry firearms on a daily basis. About 7,000,000 to 11,000,000 firearms in canada depending on who you ask. So majority of those guns belong to average law abiding citizens. If simply having more guns means more crime there would be a bloodbath in our streets. However that is not the fact, and notice that whenever there is a shooting the individual who has done the shooting has done so with an ILLEGAL gun, usually has been prohibited from having any sort of firearm and had other conditions. Clearly a small percentage of the population doesnt care about any sort of law and you cannot prevent these people from committing a crime. So to try and stop this 1% of the population from committing a crime, who you clearly CANNOT, the solution is to disarm the 99% of law abiding citizens who would never use a firearm to commit a crime? With this kind of logic lets ban all cars because 1% of the population drives drunk.
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Here's some more logic for you:

Are there likely to be more or less illegal guns available from home robberies etc if more legal guns are held by the general populus?

UK crime isn't generally gun related for a reason.
 
Dohhh said:
You guys do realize that you have to do a course to get a license right now? both written, practical and an in depth background check done by the RCMP...

For all you guys scared of guns when was the last time a police officer went on a wild shooting spree? They carry a gun on a daily basis, are an average citizen just like you and me but simply have the ability to carry a firearm. Why is it you call a police officer whenever you need help and arent worried that he/she will kill you?
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When was the last time your life was threatened by an armed criminal making you wish you could reply in kind? What about family? Friends? Crickets?

There's simply no history in this country that suggests that carrying a concealed weapon would make things any safer for you than they already are.
 
jc100 said:
When was the last time your life was threatened by an armed criminal making you wish you could reply in kind? What about family? Friends? Crickets?

There's simply no history in this country that suggests that carrying a concealed weapon would make things any safer for you than they already are.
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Really? So i break into your house at night with a sawed off 12 gauge shotgun, tie you up and rape your wife while you and your kids watch. Then one by one i execute every single one of you...extreme yes, but at that time you'd wish you had a gun for a chance at life.
The cops will be there to pick up the pieces afterwards and maybe arrest someone...but you and your family will be no more.
 
jc100 said:
When was the last time your life was threatened by an armed criminal making you wish you could reply in kind? What about family? Friends? Crickets?

There's simply no history in this country that suggests that carrying a concealed weapon would make things any safer for you than they already are.
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ya you're right there is no crime in canada, might wanna look through this first http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2011001/article/11523-eng.pdf


just because you didnt experience it doesnt mean it doesnt happen, or that it wont happen to you at some time
 
jc100 said:
When was the last time your life was threatened by an armed criminal making you wish you could reply in kind? What about family? Friends? Crickets?

There's simply no history in this country that suggests that carrying a concealed weapon would make things any safer for you than they already are.
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No history eh? remember that guy on the bus who chopped off some peoples heads? everyone ran off the bus as the guy continued to chop. now just imagine if 1 in 10 people on that bus had the training and common sense to use that gun, you know perhaps like a POLICE officer...
 
To those you think Canada is such a safe place, think again. Just cause you don't hear about violent crime, doesn't mean it doesnt exist.

Do a google search if you don't believe me.
 
I have my PAL and Restricted, I would support the CCW under certain circumstances, they would have to do a better mental health background check for starters. Would I carry, I doubt it. I would have something for home defence. You can't compare us to the US, completely different way of life and upbringing. Honestly we don't really need it.. right now.
 
Dohhh said:
Really? So i break into your house at night with a sawed off 12 gauge shotgun, tie you up and rape your wife while you and your kids watch. Then one by one i execute every single one of you...extreme yes, but at that time you'd wish you had a gun for a chance at life.
The cops will be there to pick up the pieces afterwards and maybe arrest someone...but you and your family will be no more.
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33 million people in this country...how many times has this happened in this country this week, month, year?

You are living in la la land if you think we're at risk of being mugged/raped every second of every day. You've got more chance of being struck by lightening...lets all walk around with large metal structures on our heads with wires trailing to ground?
 
Dohhh said:
No history eh? remember that guy on the bus who chopped off some peoples heads? everyone ran off the bus as the guy continued to chop. now just imagine if 1 in 10 people on that bus had the training and common sense to use that gun, you know perhaps like a POLICE officer...
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Suppose he had a Glock.. These are dumb arguments. It's a societal issue, not a weapons issue in my opinion. If you have problematic societal issues, you'll have violence whether there are guns or not..and I don't think guns will make it any better or worse frankly..
 
rutakin said:
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the road rage in the GTA is bad enough, imagine those individuals armed.
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Why don't those with road rage ram your car, get out and beat you to death with a tire iron? Perhaps one might be a bit reluctant to start **** knowing the other party could be armed. I would imagine there would be less road rage.......actually. I maintain that violence is exacerbated by disparities in power. The ability to carry a firearm levels the playing field, whether your 6'6" 250lbs of muscle with a black belt or a 80 year old 90lb weakling carrying a firearm. I believe our low crime rate may be due to other factors such as few densely populated areas, fewer typical identifiable groups who commit crime and superior social assistance, among many other things.

How many armed police officers go postal? It happens, but rarely. Imagine how many people would have been killed in L'ecole Polytechnique or Dawson College, had other students and/or teachers been armed - probably few or none.
 
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jc100 said:
33 million people in this country...how many times has this happened in this country this week, month, year?

You are living in la la land if you think we're at risk of being mugged/raped every second of every day. You've got more chance of being struck by lightening...lets all walk around with large metal structures on our heads with wires trailing to ground?
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You wear your seatbelt in you car? Cause i do and ive never crashed...but just in case i keep that mofo on...

I never would want to shoot at another person in my life, but if this crazy scenario came up id rather it be a fair fight
 
promac said:
I believe our low crime rate may be due to other factors such as few densely populated areas, fewer typical identifiable groups who commit crime and superior social assistance, among many other things.
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Europe has high density and low crime rates. Social assistance might be more correct. And our moral values.
 
promac said:
Why don't those with road rage ram your car, get out and beat you to death with a tire iron? Perhaps one might be a bit reluctant to start **** knowing the other party could be armed. I would imagine there would be less road rage.......actually. I maintain that violence is exacerbated by disparities in power. The ability to carry a firearm levels the playing field, whether your 6'6" 250lbs of muscle with a black belt or a 80 year old 90lb weakling carrying a firearm. I believe our low crime rate may be due to other factors such as few densely populated areas, fewer typical identifiable groups who commit crime and superior social assistance, among many other things.
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Exactly, people believe that the minute someone gets a gun its a blood bath. If this was a case a gun range would be the most unsafe place in the world hahah yet ive never even heard of a shooting of another person at a range. (probably cause it would be the shortest shootout in the world hahah )

This mentality is really sad, since majority of people are good people.
 
promac said:
Why don't those with road rage ram your car, get out and beat you to death with a tire iron? Perhaps one might be a bit reluctant to start **** knowing the other party could be armed. I would imagine there would be less road rage.......actually. I maintain that violence is exacerbated by disparities in power. The ability to carry a firearm levels the playing field, whether your 6'6" 250lbs of muscle with a black belt or a 80 year old 90lb weakling carrying a firearm. I believe our low crime rate may be due to other factors such as few densely populated areas, fewer typical identifiable groups who commit crime and superior social assistance, among many other things.

How many armed police officers go postal? It happens, but rarely. Imagine how many people would have been killed in L'ecole Polytechnique or Dawson College, had other students and/or teachers been armed - probably few or none.
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...or more from stray bullets from excitable people who have never shot a human being before in a stressful situation firing willy nilly while trying not to get hit themselves.

I think people have watched too many westerns.
 
jc100 said:
...or more from stray bullets from excitable people who have never shot a human being before in a stressful situation firing willy nilly while trying not to get hit themselves.

I think people have watched too many westerns.
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Majority of police officers have never fired at a live human being, nor will they ever in their career. You're reaching son...
 
Dohhh said:
Majority of police officers have never fired at a live human being, nor will they ever in their career. You're reaching son...
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Which begs the question, why would you need a gun to protect yourself from the boogey man??
 
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