Father kills disabled son

[Dr.Manhattan]

There's no law against attempting suicide, only against helping someone else attempt it.

Right, I guess you wouldn't get charged, but you would obviously be detained, and evaluated psychologically if you failed your attempt, possibly staying in a facility for life.

As for the argument for Stephen Hawkings, you know he was 100% fine until he was in University when he got his disease and was already considered in the " Genius " class.

 

[turbodish]

Right, I guess you wouldn't get charged, but you would obviously be detained, and evaluated psychologically if you failed your attempt, possibly staying in a facility for life.

As long as your suicide attempt didn't endanger others, you would be free to try again if you wish within hours.

 

[Bandit Bill]

Take a look at Stephen Hawkings.. would you be so quick to put him down like a suffering dog, by his appearance alone?

Right, I guess you wouldn't get charged, but you would obviously be detained, and evaluated psychologically if you failed your attempt, possibly staying in a facility for life.

As for the argument for Stephen Hawkings, you know he was 100% fine until he was in University when he got his disease and was already considered in the " Genius " class.

Please note my qualifier- "by his appearance alone".

Professor Hawkings is extremely physically disabled. Mentally, he's sharper than any 10 people on this forum combined.

I hate to also Godwin this thread - but by the philosophy of the Nazi's and racial genetics, he would have been one of the first to be 'put out of his misery'.. as some posters in this thread are alluding to, as being the 'humane alternative' to suffering from a severe physical or mental defect.

During the Euthenasia progroms of the Nazi era, the Doctors making 'final judgment' prior to 'euthenasia' upon the physically and mentally infirm, most often did it with a cursory set of clinical notes, and a photo of the victim. It was all based upon the societal cost upon the New Reich Order to make that society Aryan, Pure, and free of defects, whether physical, mental or racial.

It's not too far a stretch to say that sort of mindset is not lurking too far below the surface of any society, whether first-world, or third-world. It's a mentality that needs to be guarded against, at all costs, in the interests of holding equal the rights of all people in a given society.

 

[murf]

If that's true, then I don't understand why we're able to give up healthy children for adoption.

If not in Canada, then there are places in the world that will euthanize an infant with medical abnormalities. I, nor my partner, would ever burden society with a child that has no real future.

I'm sure you can give up a healthy kid no problem, but the chances of a disabled kid being adopted is pretty slim. How about this scenario...... What do you do with a child that becomes disabled later....do you take them to one of these countries and kill him? Are these other countries 1st world countries or not?

 

[Mystique]

Ok, I'm not sure if this was mentioned but euthanasia and what this guy did are two, completely separate issues. This man murdered his son in a brutal manner. Based on the broadcast, it seemed more like he killed his son to hurt the mother (as others have identified here). Euthanasia is compassionate and doesn't involve the severing of body parts. It's a possibility (?) that he will use the compassionate card in court, but hopefully the judge and jury will be smart enough to see past this. This is not a case of compassionate killing.

If there is prenatal testing for the various illnesses / diseases that cause DD etc., I think it's a couple's right to decided whether they want to keep the child. Children are already a big responsibility and like life, there can be a lot of unexpected things that come up. If you're capable of having kids, you should be responsible for them and not expect others to care for them 24/7. If you are one of those people who have a child with i.e. downs there are many sources in the community that can help i.e. CCAC, Community Services, PSWs etc., as Bandit Bill had mentioned.

I think Bandit Bill said it best - they are human too and should be treated as such. I have a friend who's son was diagnosed with Muscular Dystrophy at birth and he's managed to care for him even though he is infirm and also has an intellectual capability of a 2 year old. I have a lot of praise for those who work with and have to live with this daily - They are the advocates for those who can't speak for themselves. It takes a lot of courage and might to want to give the chance of life to someone who can't care for themselves.

As for the elderly, I'm not sure - I think it varies. This is something children need to discuss with their parents for "when the time comes". Directives are important - however if no directives are in place, I think the person should be kept alive with all means possible. Will this be a burden to our medical system? Most definitely, but what about the people who take cancer treatments? Are we going to deny them their treatment because it would be a burden to our health care system? Of course not.

I can go on here, but there is a lot of grey area in this whole topic of euthanasia/mercy killing/compassionate killing etc.,

 

[LiNK666]

The guy's is a nut job irregardless of the disabled child, but this whole "ooooh, we have to take care of EVERYONE, NO ONE GETS LEFT BEHIND" mentality really has to stop.

YOU ARE SCREWING WITH THE GENE POOL when you dont allow the weak to be taken out of the gene pool. Unfortunatelly, more and more of this is happening as we as a "society" become too weak willed to do the right thing.

back in the day, hard life ended peoples lives early. Better health care and much longer life has brought us other issues. Alzheimers primarily.

i dunno where i am going with this but i firmly believe that if i was born a vegetable and was not a contributing member of the society, end me. stop being mushy mushy about it.

I have another bit to add. Your comments really disgusted me. I have a permanent invisible disability. According to you I shouldn't be allowed to live. Okay, fine, why not back up your comments and ideals before I dilute the gene pool and make more disabled babies. I welcome you to try and cleanse the world of me. I think you're a angry child behind a keyboard who talks **** out of his *** and doesn't know **** about how people live and feel. It's easy to say **** but to do it another story. Here and waiting if you want to try.

 

[OpenGambit]

Regardless. Even if you want to die, by law they won't let you. If you are caught trying to commit suicide, they charge you lol.

Charge you for what? trying to commit suicide isn't illegal. Nor would they lock you up at all. I am not sure what country you think you live in, but I am going to assume its not Canada.

 

[LiNK666]

Charge you for what? trying to commit suicide isn't illegal. Nor would they lock you up at all. I am not sure what country you think you live in, but I am going to assume its not Canada.

At most you can get arrested under the Medical act and confined to the psychiatric ward at the local hospital, but I don't think any judge will convict you for being severely depressed and trying to off yourself.

 

[Mystique]

Charge you for what? trying to commit suicide isn't illegal. Nor would they lock you up at all. I am not sure what country you think you live in, but I am going to assume its not Canada.

No lock up - maybe temporarily institutionalized under the mental health act?

 

[OpenGambit]

No lock up - maybe temporarily institutionalized under the mental health act?

The mentally ill is a different story. The original comment was made in the context of a comparision between a cognitive adult choosing their own life vs someone else choosing for them. The bottom line is that commiting suicide isn't illegal because the fact is, a person does have that choice about his or her own life (and locking up someone that tries to commit suicide just plain makes no sense ) In Canada, we dont' have that choice about other's lives, at least not in the situation giving rise to this thread.