Failing to stop

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You can't day that on here rye. All cops are bad on gtam :rolleyes:

Lucky you got a nice one for that. Most of them a re quick to dish out a 172 any chance they get. At least around my neck of the woods. The part that kills me is if you look at the flow of traffic at 120 it's safer. I'm sure as hell not sitting at 100 on a bike risking getting hit by some twat on his phone. Cops need to focus on eliminating distracted drivers. They have the tools to do so. Speed doesn't make you bad.
 
They should do hobo on a bicycle weaving thru traffic anti distracted driving enforcement. Be like shooting fish in a barrel without the leakage.
 
Evoex said:
Not entirely accurate. You can certainly refuse a breathalyzer test at a road side stop. However it's a dumb move as you will be charged and the charge is technically the same as blowing and failing (impaired driving). So you're always better off blowing, at least you have a number you can fight in court.
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Yea true i mentioned this in another post and forgot to add that tidbit in. You are always best blowing because at least then get the second chance on the intoxaliser or blood test later. So you might get a pass. Of course you should not ever be over the limit anyway.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Roughly twice a month I'll see someone driving at speed along the breakdown lane to pass slow moving traffic. I don't mean just passing a car or two, but rather a hundred or more. I see people extending their advanced green lights by as much as 5 seconds, on a daily basis. Maybe once a week I see someone pull the HTA 172 racing trick of turning across the path of traffic when the light goes green. All of these behaviours are oh, so much more dangerous than simple speeding and yet I never seem to see these people get caught.
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Not to mention ... Turning right against a red traffic signal without stopping, turning right at or even going straight through a stop sign without stopping, making no attempt to stop at a traffic signal that has gone amber and thus going straight through while it is red, among other right-of-way related matters.
 
Evoex said:
Not entirely accurate. You can certainly refuse a breathalyzer test at a road side stop. However it's a dumb move as you will be charged and the charge is technically the same as blowing and failing (impaired driving). So you're always better off blowing, at least you have a number you can fight in court.
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So... you CAN'T refuse to blow; it's against the law. What part of this don't you understand?
 
Very early in the morning, 2-5am type, car will stop at red light, become seemingly impatient and just go. Never used to see that. Ever.
 
coyo said:
So... you CAN'T refuse to blow; it's against the law. What part of this don't you understand?
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Oh, you can refuse to blow, all right ... you'll just be charged with something else.

I don't think anyone has been unclear on this.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Something being illegal does nothing to stop you from doing it. There are just penalties for it.
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Well this all becomes asinine with the "do you have to answer" idea.

I would hope we're all smart enough to understand that the question is not if you physically can do/not do something, but whether it's legal to do/not do it.
 
Always better to blow. As mentioned, you can at least try to blow under. If you refuse/fail to provide, you will be charged just the same. You also have to provide two suitable samples, and they will be taken approx. 20 minutes apart. So while the first one may be over, by the time you blow the second, you could be under. Since both need to be over to result in a criminal charge of over 80, you might get lucky.

There may be a circumstance where it's not better to blow, but you will need to be well versed in the law, and willing to try your hand at a trial... but you will still get a 90 day suspension at the side of the road for your trouble.

On the topic of speeding... I'm currently coaching a new officer, and in seven weeks of training we have laid exactly two speeding tickets. Not because it's not important, but because the HTA is a thick book and other sections need to be taught too. I don't like to camp out with the laser, so I don't like to teach that. My theory is that we should keep our eyes open and police what we see, big or small. And, if I'm given an option, I will always charge someone for a hazardous moving violation over a speeding charge any day of the week.
 
coyo said:
So... you CAN'T refuse to blow; it's against the law. What part of this don't you understand?
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Check your attitude, it's childish and unnecessary. Also, clearly I'm not the one confused about this topic or splitting hairs.
 
Evoex said:
Check your attitude, it's childish and unnecessary. Also, clearly I'm not the one confused about this topic or splitting hairs.
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The reality is that the question was posed as to what you can legally do or refuse to do... then it turned to what you can be physically forced to do, which had nothing to do with the original question. If you feel that you have to comment on my attitude, go right ahead, but I'm very clear on the question and its legalities.
 
The reality is that the answer given was not entirely accurate, I addressed that and the person I quoted admitted as such. I'm unable to ascertain why you felt the need to comment on it, it didn't contribute a thing to this thread and only came off as taking a shot at me. If you have an issue with me or what I said feel free to PM me and let's stop derailing.
 
Evoex said:
The reality is that the answer given was not entirely accurate, I addressed that and the person I quoted admitted as such. I'm unable to ascertain why you felt the need to comment on it, it didn't contribute a thing to this thread and only came off as taking a shot at me. If you have an issue with me or what I said feel free to PM me and let's stop derailing.
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I commented on it as you provided an incorrect answer in stating that you can refuse to provide a breath. The simple answer is that you can't legally refuse a breath demand to provide such a sample.

I suppose it comes down to semantics; yes you can physically refuse to provide the sample, but it's an illegal act and the spirit of the question was to ask if you could legally refuse. My comment did contribute to the thread in clarifying the answer. It wasn't a shot at you, it was a correction of your statement.
 
Pretty sure people run because they can. I've never done anything as serious as run away on my bike. However, there was a time I had my dog off leash without a collar and an officer was sitting in his car doing reports of w/e at the park and he saw me. He comes over telling me how I have to show ID and how I am going to get a ticket blah blah blah. I mean, I deserved the ticket but a warning would have been nice, especially since this was an open field and no one was around. Not to mention my dog is very well trained. Anyways, my buddies house was around the corner and I've competed in track so I knew I could just run and I did. Saved myself a ******** ticket with almost 0 risk.

Point is, when a person knows the odds are in their favor and there is really nothing to lose, they'll probably just go for it. Cop catches you going 10-20 over and you're going to get a ticket. Well insurance will go up, money will be spent etc... etc... If the culprit doesn't really care too much about his safety or his current situation in life and believes he can get away easily then he'll try and do it. If a cop is chasing you and there is a bit of traffic ahead... filter through and you're gone basically. Admittedly I'm completely ignorant when it comes to escaping on a bike, I've only ever seen it on youtube vids and it's prob something I wouldn't try, not like I really could anyways on a 250 lol.
 
TiburonJA said:
I mean, I deserved the ticket but a warning would have been nice, especially since this was an open field and no one was around. Not to mention my dog is very well trained. Anyways, my buddies house was around the corner and I've competed in track so I knew I could just run and I did. Saved myself a ******** ticket with almost 0 risk.

Point is, when a person knows the odds are in their favor and there is really nothing to lose, they'll probably just go for it.
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Kinda the same deal here except on a bicycle. No helmet, bell, lights, over sidewalk, zig zagging all over the place just like I been doing since 4yr old. Like heck I'm going to stop for cop no matter how benign the request to talk. Not worth the risk.
 
there are so many other traffic safety issues as previously mentioned that could be easily policed and happens on a daily basis. I commute from Oakville to Brampton on a daily basis and there are no shortage of distracted drivers.
try driving on a rainy dark evening in Brampton anywhere for that matter. the number of people who drive without lights, make unsafe turns, run lights, don't signal lane changes or pull out into oncoming traffic is staggering. These are dangerous practices which require as much attention as speeding. don't even get me started on the left lane bandits who create traffic nightmare.
I know that when I ride by bike and get stuck behind some or these idiots, it takes every ounce of energy not to lane split at high RPM and freak the **** out of them.
I just have to shake my head and remember that it is not my job to police or enforce these idiots.
 
inreb said:
Very early in the morning, 2-5am type, car will stop at red light, become seemingly impatient and just go. Never used to see that. Ever.
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I do it all the time on the bike...Not my problem the ****ing sensors will keep me sitting there all night.
 
LoneRonin said:
I do it all the time on the bike...Not my problem the ****ing sensors will keep me sitting there all night.
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Heck, people would do LEFTS on a red downtown, in broad daylight with oncoming traffic. Richmond and Brant is probably the worst intersection for it. So glad I don't have to deal with it anymore. It's like everyone--Wheel Trans & TPS included--was vying for the title of Toronto's worst driver.
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