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H You do not have to identify your self to police ever. Unless you are driving a motor vehicle, then you only have to hand him your drivers license insurance and registration. You still do not have to speak.


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Again thats simply not true. Please see the link i posted there are number of other situations you have to identify yourself to the police. Talking to then is a different matter there is only one situation were you would have to speak to them and that would be if you were involved in an accident.
 
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That's the whole idea. I came from a customer service industry before I was hired, and still believe there is a big public service component of this job. The tough part is that sometimes the public service is good for the majority, at the risk of singling out or alienating one individual. Ex. Stopping a drunk driver - good for the public, bad for the driver. That driver will likely have a negative view of the police going forward. "why did the police do this to me?" is a question that is asked often.

Internet commentary is just like the comments I hear at the roadside, amplified by the sum of the distance from the keyboard to the monitor, times the square root of the caps lock key. Most people don't say what they really think at the side of the road, either for fear of reprisal or just fear of the situation. This forum has been very enlightening, I think it has removed a lot of that fear from the comments that I've read. And I've seen that there is a lot of knowledge of the legal system out there, which I think is a very good thing.

If you really are a cop, why don't you remove the suspicion that you're just a troll? If I'm a cop and want what I've written to carry any weight, I'd gladly post my badge number. I'm guessing you won't as you're not a cop.


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Badge number is not something you just post to the internet. How about to prove your a human, you post your health card number or drivers license or s.i.n?

Oh wait, that's because it's personal information that you should not be sharing with the whole internet.


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this is the biggest problem on the roads right now (except for changing lanes ~ my opinion) and I don't see anything being done about it.
one exception was an undercover cop in burlington dressed like a hobo, peering into peoples cars when at a red light. Uniformed officers later picked them up.
They got a lot of flak for doing this and they haven't done it since.

Pity. They should do this all the time and nail all the be entitled idiots who can't wait to talk until they're not driving a 4000 lb weapon.
 
I believe,in a previous thread, he said to PM him for additional information about this.

Even that's generous, in my opinion. Read his posts, take them at face value. Just like everyone else that posts, the other members learn whether the information is valid, reasonable, ridiculous, etc. This isn't someone claiming to be something and trying get something from it.
There are many of us on here that are instructors, or examiners. When I see someone incorrectly describe the error criteria of the M2 Exit test, I correct it, and explain it. Usually the difference between the original post and my explanation is enough for a reader to determine which is more credible. If someone wants to challenge my credibility as an examiner, let them.
 
cell phones while driving....

how often do you see this?
how often do you lay charges?
Do you ever decide, "hey, there's more important things to do right now" ?

this is the biggest problem on the roads right now (except for changing lanes ~ my opinion) and I don't see anything being done about it.

I'm very curious about this as well - not just from a rider's perspective. 90 percent of the time I take the subway to work, and when walking to the subway I can't count how many times I've almost been hit at a 4-way stop intersection while crossing. Even when I think I make eye contact with a driver and start to cross the road I've had to scream at a few cars who start to drive with me walking in front of them!

Sometimes they have phones, sometimes they are just dumb - but during rush hour in the morning it's THE WORST!!! I can only imagine how many intersections this happens at across the city and it seems like no one is busted enough for this type of reckless driving.
 
That's the whole idea. I came from a customer service industry before I was hired, and still believe there is a big public service component of this job. The tough part is that sometimes the public service is good for the majority, at the risk of singling out or alienating one individual. Ex. Stopping a drunk driver - good for the public, bad for the driver. That driver will likely have a negative view of the police going forward. "why did the police do this to me?" is a question that is asked often.

Internet commentary is just like the comments I hear at the roadside, amplified by the sum of the distance from the keyboard to the monitor, times the square root of the caps lock key. Most people don't say what they really think at the side of the road, either for fear of reprisal or just fear of the situation. This forum has been very enlightening, I think it has removed a lot of that fear from the comments that I've read. And I've seen that there is a lot of knowledge of the legal system out there, which I think is a very good thing.

Hence the reason for the quote in my signature ;)

i'm glad you're getting a better picture of the "other side". I know i'm getting a better picture of your side.

I got one for ya....

cell phones while driving....

how often do you see this?
how often do you lay charges?
Do you ever decide, "hey, there's more important things to do right now" ?

this is the biggest problem on the roads right now (except for changing lanes ~ my opinion) and I don't see anything being done about it.
one exception was an undercover cop in burlington dressed like a hobo, peering into peoples cars when at a red light. Uniformed officers later picked them up.
They got a lot of flak for doing this and they haven't done it since.

The math on the cell phone thing is pretty staggering. Generally speaking, at rush hour, every third or fourth driver I see is using a cell phone. You could stand at an off ramp and literally call in hundreds of drivers an hour, on a road like The Gardiner Expressway. There simply aren't enough police to do that and there are more important things to be done, at rush hour.
 
This movement of not talking to cops started in the US and is moving outwards. It's healthy as it has people reexamining what policing is. You are their boss, not the other way around!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG7niM9PzeE&sns=em


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But like was said in the other thread this was posted in. Doing this in a DUI checkpoint in Canada will probably get you up close and personal with a Breathalyzer and if you refuse a failure to blow.
 
This movement of not talking to cops started in the US and is moving outwards. It's healthy as it has people reexamining what policing is. You are their boss, not the other way around!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG7niM9PzeE&sns=em



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Be aware that this sort of "Freeman on the Land" garbage can have you tossed in jail, legitimately, if you try it up here. Frequently the same is true in the US. That's why I routinely delete it from the Law & HTA forum; it's misinformation of the worst sort, in almost every case.
 
Yes, please enlighten us about the number of cell phone users and failure to signal charges that you guys book. ? I mean has anyone ever been charged with failure to signal or failure to stay to the right on Ontario roads? Or are those just guidelines?
 
Off topic but would also like his views on rogue cops if he wishes to enlighten us.....though the obvious is you would disdain them as any other law
abiding citizen would...but your a cop and would be informitive to get your insight on bad cops... thanks not trying to be smart.
 
Here's a plan. If you get pulled over or have an interaction with the police in Ontario, start your phone camera, focus on his name and badge number (unlike you he "has" to identify himself), have a lawyers business card on you. Say to the cop "I want to know during this interaction what my obligations or non-obligations to communicate with you are under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms so I can call my lawyer (business card in hand (show him)) and verify those obligations with him/her (lawyer) on your [cops] behalf." "I do not wish to break the law, and do not wish for you to break the law either."

Smile while doing this.

Or, hypnotize him. Montreal guy hypnotizes cop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_VZREiVTg&sns=em

:)



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Here's a plan. If you get pulled over or have an interaction with the police in Ontario, start your phone camera, focus on his name and badge number (unlike you he "has" to identify himself), have a lawyers business card on you. Say to the cop "I want to know during this interaction what my obligations or non-obligations to communicate with you are under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms so I can call my lawyer (business card in hand (show him)) and verify those obligations with him/her (lawyer) on your [cops] behalf." "I do not wish to break the law, and do not wish for you to break the law either."

Smile while doing this.

Or, hypnotize him. Montreal guy hypnotizes cop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT_VZREiVTg&sns=em

:)



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First of all pretty sure that video is fake but... but why don't you do it video and post your results here. Try it in a DUI check point for extra points
 
This movement of not talking to cops started in the US and is moving outwards. It's healthy as it has people reexamining what policing is. You are their boss, not the other way around!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG7niM9PzeE&sns=em


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We are the cops boss?
This seems quite funny, please let me know how that goes the next time a cop pulls you over and you tell them that.
Text us back about the extended ticket you got:)
 
@MLadin - I've chosen not to reveal my name or badge on an open forum because of the potential for misuse/abuse. There are just too many users that may view that info that haven't been posting, aka the silent members, and I cringe when I think of someone personating me. Rest assured, if you need to know, you can always send me a message and we can meet up.

Cell phones - the OPP have made this one of the "Big Four" enforcement items, which include speeding, impaired operation, cell phones, and seatbelts. With that said, I look for them and lay the charge whenever I see them, and whenever I can meet the burden of proof required by our court. That means, I can't assume it's a cell phone just because I see someone holding a similar item, it could be an IPod or something, and I have to be able to testify that what I saw meets the definition as set out by the regulations. The fact is that these days drivers are getting better at hiding them when they are texting, they will hold them down low where it is difficult to see. Used to be, they would text on top of the steering wheel. For those carrying on conversations, they are easier to spot, and I'm seeing more people talking on speakerphone but while still holding the phone in their hand - which is still prohibited. Every once in a while I see an interesting one like someone holding the bluetooth device while their cellphone is in the cupholder, or even affixing their phone to their head with an rubberband. There's a term for that one that I won't share here...

Left lane bandits - while s. 147 prohibits drivers from hogging the left lane, it reads that they are to keep right when traveling at less than the "normal" rate of speed. The word's in quotes because it's subject to interpretation by the officer. Rush hour traffic = 120km/hr in the left, that would be normal. I don't usually lay this charge unless there is a significant effect on traffic, such as other vehicles passing on the right, or a visible bottleneck created by the lane hog. My normal response is to pull behind, activate the lights until they move right, then shut the lights off and overtake. I do feel a little hypocritical about driving in the left lane when I'm at work, but my reason for being there is typically to act as a pace car, and slow the overall flow of traffic to a reasonable speed. This is seen during the morning rush, when the left lane can routinely see speeds of 140km/hr.

Sovereignist movement/Freeman on the Land - This one is a topic that has come up more recently but has been around in the States for a longer time. It usually involves a very assertive person making legal arguments based on extremely dated legal philosophies, that have not been tolerated by our courts as of late. I think the one good thing that comes out of it, is that it forces our officers to know their legal authorities in case they are ever questioned. It keeps them on their toes.

Who's the boss - sounds like a peeing contest to me. If you're the boss because you pay taxes that pay my salary, am I not also partly self-employed because I pay taxes too? :)
 
Granted it wasn't OPP but YRP officer was chatting on is cell phone in his cruiser when I crossed him on Main St. Stouffville last night :rolleyes:
 
Left lane bandits - while s. 147 prohibits drivers from hogging the left lane, it reads that they are to keep right when traveling at less than the "normal" rate of speed. The word's in quotes because it's subject to interpretation by the officer. Rush hour traffic = 120km/hr in the left, that would be normal. I don't usually lay this charge unless there is a significant effect on traffic, such as other vehicles passing on the right, or a visible bottleneck created by the lane hog. My normal response is to pull behind, activate the lights until they move right, then shut the lights off and overtake. I do feel a little hypocritical about driving in the left lane when I'm at work, but my reason for being there is typically to act as a pace car, and slow the overall flow of traffic to a reasonable speed. This is seen during the morning rush, when the left lane can routinely see speeds of 140km/hr.
hmm, but you see, the person that you got to move over has no clue what they're doing.. they'll go back to that lane/their habits after you pass them. Tehy just think they let an emergency vehicle by.I personally think we need more Stay right unless passing type signage to get the message through. Ive driven in a few countries.. NZ, Australia, England, Scotland, Ireland, France, Rarotonga, US - (Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, NY, PA) and Canada - (BC, Yukon, Alberta, Quebec ) and its Ontario that you really notice a problem like this. At least in NZ and Aust I know they enforce the lane hog with fines and its well sign posted. Ironically, Needless to say, when driving the 400 nth or sth bound I find the *right* lane the best lane to be in since everyone has moved to the far left lane..
 
Cell phones - the OPP have made this one of the "Big Four" enforcement items, which include speeding, impaired operation, cell phones, and seatbelts
Please keep up the Cellphone, Impaired operation and seatbelts.
 
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