Keep in mind that this is policy, not law, and saying that you 'don't have to identify to police' is over stating the situation.
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Keep in mind that this is policy, not law, and saying that you 'don't have to identify to police' is over stating the situation.
I don't know.
You are wrong.
The article is irrelivent. The majority of people that get "carded" will continue to be.... Most probably don't know enough not to be.. or would rather just give up their info to avoid any possible escalation... right or wrong.
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In regards to "carding", you're correct. In regards to your blanket statement "identify yourself unless you are operating a motor vehicle", you've made it too vague a statement to be correct.
Like others have said thats not quite accurate. There are a whole list of reasons the police can ask you to ID yourself outside of operating a motor vehicle. Some you can refuse some you cant.
As a general rule outside of required interactions such as DUI checkpoints ETC and polite casual chit chat I don't talk to the police and have refused to ID during some protests I was involved with and refused a road side search on a random stop without much aggravation.
http://ccla.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Know-Your-Rights-Booklet1.pdf
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Do you know all the rules though? Do you know how many laws there are? You never know when you might say something to an officer that could be used to prosecute you or detain you for something minor that you didn't even know was against the law. However innocent you think you are you should not answer police questions with regards to criminal matters without consulting legal advice. Remember its the cops job is to arrest people for crimes not to get justice. How many people have been railroaded for high profile murder charges cause they gave the cops enough info to place them near the crime or give them motive by saying "sure I hated Bill but I would not kill him" . Do not talk to the police.
All you have to look at is the satanic panic cases to know some police arn't interested in the truth.
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Even at the track I got harrassed by pro 6 trackday cop instructor. He either didn't like being passed. Or more likly didn't like how I looked. What a dick.
Meh he was trying to get their names to fill in his paper work this cop is not an example of doing anything wrong. He didn't force them to identified and even told the reason he needed it. He left peaceably.
Of all the videos that you could pick you find the tamest one
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DECIMIS
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Rodney like Elwood gets no respect
You sure know a lot, and talk a lot about Elwood. What's that saying, uncleduck... "Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck... must be a duck!"
Welcome back!
yea, once they fill in their paper work then this happens.....
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/05/17/i_had_no_idea.html
Actually no this situation would be different. In the case of the domestic it would be in a incident report. It would not show up on a vulnerable sector search. Anyway you are protected under employment law. Even on conviction unless it directly relates to the position. The police did nothing wrong they have simply logged their interactions with these individuals. Its the employers that have broke the law.
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/code_grounds/record_of_offences
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You sure know a lot, and talk a lot about Elwood. What's that saying, uncleduck... "Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck... must be a duck!"
Welcome back!
I read this thread and not saying a thing, I was never near Elwood or even heard of my friend Elwood
Suzuko
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Real cop or not why does he/she post under a cop avatar most here are not exactly fans, especially with all that has gone down with the RCMP in particullier, their shoot/tazer
first and inquiry later policy...
But admire his knowledge and tenacity, not bashing .
Harvey friend of Elwood
first and inquiry later policy...
But admire his knowledge and tenacity, not bashing .
Harvey friend of Elwood
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Roomie
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who cares who's a fan? "all cops are bad", "efff the police" etc. If I was one it wouldn't phase me one bit about people and their ****** attitudes. Big talk from internet cowboys is all that crap is.
How better to try and improve the image of police, to some people, than to be up front about who you are and to try and be informative, and helpful?
Yup bike cop has been nothing more than Helpful and polite despite the sometimes frosty reception he gets.
Bike Cop
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That's the whole idea. I came from a customer service industry before I was hired, and still believe there is a big public service component of this job. The tough part is that sometimes the public service is good for the majority, at the risk of singling out or alienating one individual. Ex. Stopping a drunk driver - good for the public, bad for the driver. That driver will likely have a negative view of the police going forward. "why did the police do this to me?" is a question that is asked often.
Internet commentary is just like the comments I hear at the roadside, amplified by the sum of the distance from the keyboard to the monitor, times the square root of the caps lock key. Most people don't say what they really think at the side of the road, either for fear of reprisal or just fear of the situation. This forum has been very enlightening, I think it has removed a lot of that fear from the comments that I've read. And I've seen that there is a lot of knowledge of the legal system out there, which I think is a very good thing.
-Maverick-
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He didn't force them to identify themselves because he couldn't. I picked this one because it is Toronto police. The American videos are much more dramatic (carrying an AK47 and not having to identify yourself). You do not have to identify your self to police ever. Unless you are driving a motor vehicle, then you only have to hand him your drivers license insurance and registration. You still do not have to speak. You can hand the officer a piece of paper that states "I do not talk to police." He can try and charge you with obstruction of justice, but the JP would throw it out as he has all the information in your drivers license, insurance and registration to make the traffic violation.
As with everything, Americans take it to the extreme:
http://youtu.be/N30TagPCNE4
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dasiffy
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i'm glad you're getting a better picture of the "other side". I know i'm getting a better picture of your side.
I got one for ya....
cell phones while driving....
how often do you see this?
how often do you lay charges?
Do you ever decide, "hey, there's more important things to do right now" ?
this is the biggest problem on the roads right now (except for changing lanes ~ my opinion) and I don't see anything being done about it.
one exception was an undercover cop in burlington dressed like a hobo, peering into peoples cars when at a red light. Uniformed officers later picked them up.
They got a lot of flak for doing this and they haven't done it since.
