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Nobody else remember how loud the cheers were among the Palestinians during 9/11?

Sure the Israelis are *****...but look at their neighbours. I have yet to meet a Toronto Jew that spent a summer in an Israeli kibbutz that wasn't a dick.
Then again...I've never met a Palestinian that wasn't an even bigger dick.

The world is not going to time travel back to 1946, you were ********, you got your *** kicked in three wars, your life sucks. Sorry, but move or buy a helmet.
How many rockets would Native protesters have to lob at Queen's Park before **** got really real for Indians here?
 
Sorry, I missed the bit in your opinion piece that justifies the massacre currently taking place that you want them to move on from.
 
jc100 said:
Number of deaths from those terrible Hamas rockets? 1.
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Israel really needs to show more restraint. At least wait until Hamas get's better funding and is able to buy better rockets to up their death per rocket percentages significantly.

Logic? what's that for?
 
[video=youtube;4pKMV6e5kEo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pKMV6e5kEo[/video]


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Who's Killing Who? A Viewer's Guide
Because you can't tell the players without a pogrom!
Early Man
This generic "cave man" represents the first human settlers in Israel/Canaan/the Levant. Whoever they were.

Canaanite
What did ancient Canaanites look like? I don't know, so this is based on ancient Sumerian art.

Egyptian
Canaan was located between two huge empires. Egypt controlled it sometimes, and...

Assyrian
....Assyria controlled it other times.

Israelite
The "Children of Israel" conquered the **** out of the region, according to bloody and violent Old Testament accounts.

Babylonian
Then the Baylonians destroyed their temple and took the Hebrews into exile.

Macedonian/Greek
Here comes Alexander the Great, conquering everything!

Greek/Macedonian
No sooner did Alexander conquer everything, than his generals divided it up and fought with each other.

Ptolemaic
Greek descendants of Ptolemy, another of Alexander's competing generals, ruled Egypt dressed like Egyptian god-kings. (The famous Cleopatra of western mythology and Hollywood was a Ptolemy.)

Seleucid
More Greek-Macedonian legacies of Alexander.

Hebrew Priest
This guy didn't fight, he just ran the Second Temple re-established by Hebrews in Jerusalem after the Babylonian Exile.

Maccabee
Led by Judah "The Hammer" Maccabee, who fought the Seleucids, saved the Temple, and invented Channukah. Until...

Roman
....the Romans destroyed the Second Temple and absorbed the region into the Roman Empire...

Byzantine
....which split into Eastern and Western Empires. The eastern part was called the Byzantine Empire. I don't know if "Romans" ever fought "Byzantines" (Eastern Romans) but this is a cartoon.

Arab Caliph
Speaking of cartoon, what did an Arab Caliph look like? This was my best guess.

Crusader
After Crusaders went a-killin' in the name of Jesus Christ, they established Crusader states, most notably the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

Mamluk of Egypt
Wikipedia sez, "Over time, mamluks became a powerful military caste in various Muslim societies...In places such as Egypt from the Ayyubid dynasty to the time of Muhammad Ali of Egypt, mamluks were considered to be "true lords", with social status above freeborn Muslims.[7]" And apparently they controlled Palestine for a while.

Ottoman Turk
Did I mention this is a cartoon? Probably no one went to battle looking like this. But big turbans, rich clothing and jewelry seemed to be in vogue among Ottoman Turkish elites, according to paintings I found on the Internet.

Arab
A gross generalization of a generic 19-century "Arab".

British
The British formed alliances with Arabs, then occupied Palestine. This cartoon is an oversimplification, and uses this British caricature as a stand-in for Europeans in general.

Palestinian
The British occupied this guy's land, only to leave it to a vast influx of....

European Jew/Zionist
Desperate and traumatized survivors of European pogroms and death camps, Jewish Zionist settlers were ready to fight to the death for a place to call home, but...

PLO/Hamas/Hezbollah
....so were the people that lived there. Various militarized resistance movements arose in response to Israel: The Palestinian Liberation Organization, Hamas, and Hezbollah.

Guerrilla/Freedom Fighter/TerroristState of Israel
Backed by "the West," especially the US, they got lots of weapons and the only sanctioned nukes in the region.

Guerrilla/Freedom Fighter/Terrorist
Sometimes people fight in military uniforms, sometimes they don't. Creeping up alongside are illicit nukes possibly from Iran or elsewhere in the region. Who's Next?
 
murf said:
Why doesnt the UN send in peacekeepers?
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Israel is the country who has breached the MOST number of UN resolutions and Geneva convention treaties.
I dont think Israel with US in it's pockets cares much about what UN thinks/does.
In fact, they have never let an independent UN party to freely investigate their war crimes/nuclear facilities ever.
However right now, UN is launching an investigative party, without Israeli co-operation to investigate Israel's potential war crimes.
I hope they stick it to them.
 
Orygun said:
I find that sickening, your hate for Israel is stronger than your love for your son.
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Oh here we go with the anti-Semitic card! So sick of hearing that if you notice Israeli war crimes and clear genocide on Palestinians for over 6 decades, you are automatically an Israeli/Jew hater!

That card is very old friend!

people oppose the oppression of any defenceless people against any mighty military power.
Just like the world stood up against the Nazi's during the Holocaust, so the world will stand against the repeat of this ethnic cleansing, ironically waged by the former victims of the same crime!

Interestingly enough, countless Jews are standing side by side with all other Palestinian supporters because Judaism has absolutely nothing to do with Zionism and Jews are showing the world that many of them stand AGAINST Israel and not with it.
 
Orygun said:
Sure seems like we are only getting one side in the media.
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For those who still dont get what the western media is and dont understand the organized brain washing. Watch this. If you still dont get it, go grab a beer and shout MURICAHH on your ATV because there is no logical reasoning with you anymore lol
[video=youtube;eZVv2AOCnaA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZVv2AOCnaA[/video]
 
FullMotoJacket said:
Israel really needs to show more restraint. At least wait until Hamas get's better funding and is able to buy better rockets to up their death per rocket percentages significantly.

Logic? what's that for?
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Its called a proportional response, one that most civilized, democratic countries that recognize petty things like the Geneva convention respect. Hamas fires rockets....so Palestinian civilians, women and children, pay for that with their lives? That contravenes the 4th Geneva convention and this week the international court said they would now start investigations that could lead to war crimes charges. Not the first time Israelis have fallen afoul of the international court. Ariel Sharon was indicted as a war criminal by a Dutch court. Hamas lives among the Palestinian population but then you'd kind of expect that when this place is the most densely populated area in the region. Everyone lives in everyone else's laps in what amounts to an open prison. Or perhaps let's call it a ghetto too.

Palestinian youths throw stones at the Israeli soldiers enforcing the occupation of their territory, so the response is live fire at them?

The Brits did that with the Irish on Bloody Sunday. That also didn't work out very well but the one thing the Brits did not do with the IRA was bomb Dublin every time an IRA device went off. That's more or less whats happening in Israel. That is called collective punishment, perhaps even ethnic cleansing and is itself state sponsored terrorism.

Perhaps you might say then that the Palestinians should obey the law and not fire rockets, and not throw stones and that this is what they should expect for doing those things. I would reply to you though that perhaps if Israel obeyed international law and stopped enforcing an aphartheid state none of this would be happening on the scale it currently does. Hamas would not have support and the extreme right wing Israeli parties would not have support of the majority of their citizens.

It is naive to think that all the troubles would stop, after all, when you have religious zealotry and the "my invisible friend is better than your invisible friend" thing going on, there's always disagreements (to put it mild
y). But if you have the backing of the majority of your citizens that usually carries the most sway.
 
jc100 said:
Its called a proportional response, one that most civilized, democratic countries that recognize petty things like the Geneva convention respect. Hamas fires rockets....so Palestinian civilians, women and children, pay for that with their lives? That contravenes the 4th Geneva convention and this week the international court said they would now start investigations that could lead to war crimes charges. Not the first time Israelis have fallen afoul of the international court. Ariel Sharon was indicted as a war criminal by a Dutch court. Hamas lives among the Palestinian population but then you'd kind of expect that when this place is the most densely populated area in the region. Everyone lives in everyone else's laps in what amounts to an open prison. Or perhaps let's call it a ghetto too.

Palestinian youths throw stones at the Israeli soldiers enforcing the occupation of their territory, so the response is live fire at them?

The Brits did that with the Irish on Bloody Sunday. That also didn't work out very well but the one thing the Brits did not do with the IRA was bomb Dublin every time an IRA device went off. That's more or less whats happening in Israel. That is called collective punishment, perhaps even ethnic cleansing and is itself state sponsored terrorism.

Perhaps you might say then that the Palestinians should obey the law and not fire rockets, and not throw stones and that this is what they should expect for doing those things. I would reply to you though that perhaps if Israel obeyed international law and stopped enforcing an aphartheid state none of this would be happening on the scale it currently does. Hamas would not have support and the extreme right wing Israeli parties would not have support of the majority of their citizens.

It is naive to think that all the troubles would stop, after all, when you have religious zealotry and the "my invisible friend is better than your invisible friend" thing going on, there's always disagreements (to put it mild
y). But if you have the backing of the majority of your citizens that usually carries the most sway.
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Absolutely the most accurate and mind boggling documentary on the subject! MUST WATCH
[video=youtube;FnW_vO0VeI0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnW_vO0VeI0[/video]
 
If you really want to see something mind boggling, watch the latest episode of Vice on the Israel problem. It will show you why there is traditional support for Israel as a Zionist state from the US (and Canada) from Evangelical Christians. The actual reason is absolutely mind blowing in terms of the stupidity behind it.
 
jc100 said:
Its called a proportional response
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So you consider 3 (Egypt, Jordan, Syria) against 1 (Israel) June 5-10, 1967 a proportional response? Riiiiiiight.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
So you consider 3 (Egypt, Jordan, Syria) against 1 (Israel) June 5-10, 1967 a proportional response? Riiiiiiight.
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Lets bust the myth on who attacked who in the 1967 war. Here is an Israeli general's son who spills the beans and cut through the BS western fed lies on what went down. You dotn have to read, its a video
"Miko Peled is a peace activist who dares to say in public what others still choose to deny. Born in Jerusalem in 1961 into a well known Zionist family, his grandfather, Dr. Avraham Katsnelson was a Zionist leader and signer of the Israeli Declaration of Independence. His Father, Matti Peled, was a young officer in the war of 1948 and a general in the war of 1967 when Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and Sinai."
[video=youtube;c4ZfnpN4Dfc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4ZfnpN4Dfc[/video]
 
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jc100 said:
If you really want to see something mind boggling, watch the latest episode of Vice on the Israel problem. It will show you why there is traditional support for Israel as a Zionist state from the US (and Canada) from Evangelical Christians. The actual reason is absolutely mind blowing in terms of the stupidity behind it.
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I will look it up. but i have see documentaries on Evangelical Christian sheeple and how they go and volunteer in Israel, thinking they are serving their god! lol I guess their god must be pretty blood thirsty!
 
ashkan said:
Lets bust the myth on who attacked who in the 1967 war. Here is an Israeli general's son who spills the beans and cut through the BS western fed lies on what went down. You dotn have to read, its a video
"Miko Peled is a peace activist who dares to say in public what others still choose to deny. Born in Jerusalem in 1961 into a well known Zionist family, his grandfather, Dr. Avraham Katsnelson was a Zionist leader and signer of the Israeli Declaration of Independence. His Father, Matti Peled, was a young officer in the war of 1948 and a general in the war of 1967 when Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and Sinai."
[video=youtube;c4ZfnpN4Dfc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4ZfnpN4Dfc[/video]
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LOL. Your rebuttal is a video from a tinfoil hat site of a guy trying to bump sales of his book? You really need to look at recorded history instead of getting your info from the same sites that claim the moon landing was filmed on a Hollywood set.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
I have to laugh at the tinfoil brigade's insistence that if you don't buy in to the fringe media's take on things (who have their own polar opposite agenda) you're a brainwashed simpleton. Fire up the (black) kettle.

How did the fringe media's grassroots media barrage/campaign against Kony pan out 2 years ago? Right. Cause de jour hipsters banging away at their keyboards furiously are going to solve centuries of tribal conflicts.
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I see what you did there.


Good post.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
LOL. Your rebuttal is a video from a tinfoil hat site of a guy trying to bump sales of his book? You really need to look at recorded history instead of getting your info from the same sites that claim the moon landing was filmed on a Hollywood set.
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I dont know if you know who this guys is but he has been on every major non western news outlet from AlJazeera to Russia Today.
But i get it, when things are not in favor of Israel, its all made up fake history. But YOUR "facts" are real just because you think they are?
Lets go back to historical fact. Palestine belonged to Palestinians. They had nothing to do with Holocust or WWII in general. Israelis came backed by Brits and US and stole the land with tanks and bombs from Palestinians with a UN vote to take 51% of the land. In 1967, they started a war (and even if they didnt), and so they started stealing more land from Palestinians, pushing them into smaller and smaller area and dividing them at the same time. Sine 1967 Israel has occupied more and more illegal lands and built settlements.
Israel is a thief and a war criminal by all accounts.
you can crush all these historical facts aside and keep screaming your Pro-Apartheid slogans but facts are facts and Israel is the new manifestation of an ideology which kills and burns people alive to fulfuill the belief that they are the chosen ones and this is their land.
I wonder where else this mentality manifested and dies after a few years. Oh it was Nazi Germany.
But the good news is, history repeats itself and just like the German Nazis fell, so will this illegally built land, they call Israel!
Oh and by all international accounts, any land past the 1967 border is illegal and this is understood by even Israel's biggest allies.
This is why Kerry and Obama refer to it not as Israel, but as occupied land.
So i get my facts from reality while you (assuming you are a zionist) gets yours from the old testament and the belief that you are the chosen one. Whos the tinfoil wearing simpleton now?

http://www.hjfp.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/palestine-map.jpg
 
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