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DownUnder said:
Seems completely wrong, we have been adding record number of immigrants over the covid period, and ontario is getting the biggest share of those.

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How Canada landed 405,000 new immigrants in 2021

Canada exceeded its 2021 immigration target by landing 405,303 new permanent residents last year, according to new data obtained from IRCC by CIC News. Canada has only surpassed 400,000 newcomers one other time in its history, in 1913. The following year, the First World War broke out, and...
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from your link "In 2020, Canada only welcomed 184,000 new immigrants, and as a result the country’s population growth fell to the lowest level since the First World War. Prior to the pandemic, Canada was targeting the arrival of 341,000 new immigrants per year."

So there was the dip I heard of but you are right, they definitely corrected with 2021 numbers it seems.
 
GreyGhost said:
They used to have to start again. Not sure if that has changed. In school, a lady in our house was a very highly qualified nurse in china (surgical, obstetrics, head floor nurse, etc) with decades of experience. She moved to Canada and they acknowledged nothing. Started with the first year nursing students as per provincial rules.
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Different drugs in different countries, different resources mean different care policies, different scopes of practice. It would be challenging in my eyes breaking into any highly regulated field if immigrating from another country. We have enough bad nurses even when they are trained in Canadian hospitals.

Last year my wife was a clinical instructor for rpns and had to fail someone who was an experienced nurse from another country. Obviously this is a one-off anecdote but there was no way of getting this girl to take infection control seriously, even when the unit was on a covid outbreak. Every shift she worked came with an email about how dangerous she was from the whoever she was shadowing.
 
bigpoppa said:
I've heard its worse for doctors, in canada its a fenced old boys club.
They intentionally limit the number of students allowed in med school, and probably much harder for foreign trained doctors to practice here as well.

I personally knew dozens of kids who were solid straight A students but never got accepted into med school.
Im talking really hard ****(organic chem, advanced calculus etc etc)
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Yes, it's hard to get into a Canadian medical school, but if you have an MD from certain countries like the US, it's actually very easy to practice in Ontario with no examinations or retraining. I don't know which countries other than the US might benefit from this though, so all bets are off there (other than the Caribbean schools which are basically run by US doctors).
 
woot said:
Different drugs in different countries, different resources mean different care policies, different scopes of practice. It would be challenging in my eyes breaking into any highly regulated field if immigrating from another country. We have enough bad nurses even when they are trained in Canadian hospitals.

Last year my wife was a clinical instructor for rpns and had to fail someone who was an experienced nurse from another country. Obviously this is a one-off anecdote but there was no way of getting this girl to take infection control seriously, even when the unit was on a covid outbreak. Every shift she worked came with an email about how dangerous she was from the whoever she was shadowing.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for a rubber stamp. I think there could be a viable middle ground. Exams to determine areas where you are strong or need work followed courses to get to acceptable standard across the board. Then potentially accelerated practical training program. If they get bad reports like your anecdote, they are not eligible for the fast-track program as obviously they need substantial training (or a complete ouster from the program).
 
crankcall said:
Through some bad luck I visited an ER in Venezuala . I like the training required to be a nurse in Canada .....
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Been to a hospital in Poland...I like Canadian hospitals MUCH better.

The care was fine, the Polish attitude was garbage (but the care is more important), and the facilities were...Soviet era in some instances.
 
I have nurse friends and they'd had it back in Sept-Oct...
OR Nurses getting re-assigned to COVID wards was not what they were expecting...and the added stress and promise that you won't get good $$ compensation in the near future means, well.. i can just find something else elsewhere if i'm this capped.
You know how some people say "if you don't like the job then find something else" well.. they're at the find something else stage
 
mimico_polak said:
The care was fine, the Polish attitude was garbage (but the care is more important), and the facilities were...Soviet era in some instances.
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agreed

They def do more with less, whereas here the opposite has been my experience
 
woot said:
My wife makes more working $$ in nursing homes. Hospitals are limited to 1% raises. Private nursing homes, clinics are able to raise their pay.
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Public hospitals are starting to get dough for nurses, smart nurses can pickup side hustles at $1k/day locally and $20k for a 12 day FIFO.

Freshly minted nurses can do 3 years in undeserved markets. My sons gf is from s small northern town, she starts nursing next week -- $25k signing bonus plus $12.5k/year for 3 yrs against student loan.
 
Critical diagnostic procedures are being postponed due to staff shortages - it is what just happened to a friend that is a cardiac patient.

Procedures and equipment in Canadian hospitals are definitely "first world". Nursing care too is .... well most of the time.

Family care physicians are even harder to come by.
 
Chris-CJ said:
............Family care physicians are even harder to come by.
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My family doctor of over 40 years has been trying to retire for 5 years. He has delayed in hope of finding a GP to replace him. Just got the letter from him stating that as of Sept he is done and we are all on your own.

I have never really had much need to see him myself over the years but the wife and kids did (kids being kids etc) so it didnt really bother me too much. I figure, at my age, medical assistance will now be emerg. Then it struck me. My kids no longer have a family doctor.
 
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hdsomeday said:
My family doctor of over 40 years has been trying to retire for 5 years. He has delayed in hope of finding a GP to replace him. Just got the letter from him stating that as of Sept he is done and we are all on your own.

I have never really had much need to see him myself over the years but the wife and kids did (kids being kids etc) so it didnt really bother me too much. I figure, at my age, medical assistance will now be emerg. Then it struck me. My kids no longer have a family doctor.
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I switched from my family doctor that I really liked to a closer one that was decades younger. I'm still conflicted about it but the new one seems ok and she shouldn't retire for a long time.
 
GreyGhost said:
I switched from my family doctor that I really liked to a closer one that was decades younger. I'm still conflicted about it but the new one seems ok and she shouldn't retire for a long time.
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I'm doing the same, not sure how old my current GP is, he was admitted to the college in 1972 according to the licence in his office.

My new doc is 52 and has been my wife and daughter's doc for 5 years, lovely woman. I'm looking forward to skinnier fingers.
 
Took me five years to find a doctor when I moved. We lucked out when someone was forming a private practice while working at the walk in clinic.

The one I had in North York was a superb doctor, was hot, hot, hot, used to wear leather miniskirts to the office, and she had excellent access to services at North York General.

My first doctor lived three blocks away, had his office a block away, and used to make house calls at all hours of the night.
 
Baggsy said:
Took me five years to find a doctor when I moved. We lucked out when someone was forming a private practice while working at the walk in clinic.

The one I had in North York was a superb doctor, was hot, hot, hot, used to wear leather miniskirts to the office, and she had excellent access to services at North York General.

My first doctor lived three blocks away, had his office a block away, and used to make house calls at all hours of the night.
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LoL when I met our previous doctor I was sure I was in a porno and was looking for the cameras.

Young brunette wearing a skin tight skirt with a zipper top to bottom…my wife was not impressed.

Cool doctor and was great. We left once she went on her second maternity but she’s back, and I’m not a fan of my current doc.

He threatened my MIL with dropping her as a patient because she went elsewhere for a shingles rash that he took 4 days to respond to a call to. That upset us to no end.

I’m gonna call porno doc this week to see if she’ll take us back.
 
How did this end up in General Motorcycle Discussion?
 
Toronto hospital now using students to keep ER open. This shouldn’t go poorly at some point .

We have a young friend doing FIFO , 20 days on a Rez on butthole Island . It’s great money , but ….




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Havent fact checked this but it is apparently a reasonably comprehensive list as reported by nurses.

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