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ER closures and limited staffing

Bringing in nurses from other countries is problematic.Standards are different from country to country.My wife had a fall in a hospital that required 7 stitches to her head.One of the nurses helping the doctor was from Iran and in training.She fainted during the procedure (too much blood) and had to be replaced quickly.My faith in our health system is minimal.
 
If you have an accident you'll be brought to an ER and then triaged. If serious or critical then you go to the head of the line for treatment. You then go to a post op ward or the ICU on a top priority basis.

Once discharged, if you need home care or ongoing physio then you might have some issues as these systems are underfunded or overwhelmed or require private insurance. However, this has been true for years, but it is worse now.

Like in real estate location, location, location is critical. Have a serious accident in the GTA and you'd be fast tracked to a trauma center. Have the same accident in Barrys Bay, Chapleau or Kapuskasing and you're screwed as you're many many hours away from a trauma center and proper care the first few hours post accident are critical to your survival. This has always been true, no different now.

IMO, not riding because you're concerned about lack of health care may have made sense in March - June 2020 as the pandemic was unfolding, but it shouldn't be an issue now, so ride and enjoy. Something you may want to factor into your riding style is how spirited you ride many hours away from a major city and a trauma center, again this has always been an issue, not just now post covid.
 
jc100 said:
Perth and Kingston also affected by this.
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Every hospital employee I know in the province says this is affecting their hospitals. It would be interesting to see numbers free from the filter of propaganda (number of care nurses/doctors, hours worked, hourly cost, years of experience etc. for now vs pre-pandemic) but that's not going to happen. Staff are blaming province, province is blaming staff and feds, hospitals are staying quiet as there is no winning if they make a statement.
 
Its pretty clear, Oakville currently has over 100 job postings , but trhe budget to hire comes from the province. There is no hiring being granted, people are exiting the industry in record numbers.

As summer vacations are currently being cancelled for hospital staff, sorry no longer approved, staff are just going , with the attitude " i booked this 7 months ago, no staff is not my problem" . Its a complete trainwreck in the GTA
 
our population is growing too fast for the infrastructure to keep pace with.
Just visit an ER, or any highway, or a service ontario in the GTA.
 
ReSTored said:
IMO, not riding because you're concerned about lack of health care may have made sense in March - June 2020 as the pandemic was unfolding, but it shouldn't be an issue now, so ride and enjoy. Something you may want to factor into your riding style is how spirited you ride many hours away from a major city and a trauma center, again this has always been an issue, not just now post covid.
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The missus had to go to emergency at the hight of the first wave... the hospital was EMPTY. Quickest emergency visit she's had in her life. My guess is people that would go for frivolous ailments kept away.
 
I like Dougie, but his staff andf advisors and accountants got this one really wrong. Its been decades in coming , but it has really hit the fan in the last two years.

Doctors that were told to start seeing patients in person , yet a year later are still doing phone visits and mailing it in are compounding the problem, walk in clinics are still not fully open in many places , so ER becomes the walk in clinic again.
 
crankcall said:
I like Dougie, but his staff andf advisors and accountants got this one really wrong. Its been decades in coming , but it has really hit the fan in the last two years.

Doctors that were told to start seeing patients in person , yet a year later are still doing phone visits and mailing it in are compounding the problem, walk in clinics are still not fully open in many places , so ER becomes the walk in clinic again.
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Agree. For instance giving shots at a covid clinic paid doctors almost an order of magnitude more than nurses. If anything, doctors are less qualified to do that job. That needlessly ****** a lot of people off and I dont see many upsides to that program.
 
xrljoel said:
I was chatting with a friend about the shortage of labor everywhere and mentioned that I thought the pandemic, and the increased pressures/demands/irritations led to a significant number of older workers who were close enough to retirement to call it a day permanently. A guy who has a couple Tim Hortons, and another fellow with a hardware store agreed, telling me that they lost their older semi-retired casual workers during/after the pandemic. These people realized that they really could retire and didn't need to work a bit to keep busy, they could be busy just doing things they enjoyed. The work experience became less enjoyable and wasn't financially necessary so they stopped. It's what I did.

The CBC has a somewhat different take, blaming it on strictly a demographic shift, but I still think there has to be a catalyst for quitting.

"Boomers are exiting the workforce in droves, leaving more job vacancies than there are people to fill them"

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I would say immigration more than demographics. Same reason we have this crazy demand for new and used vehicles. There was a halt in production and manufacturers lowered their estimates for vehicle production for a year. New cars need to come into the market to displace the amount going out. Each year since the amount of new cars hasn't been able to increase to fill that missing void.

We had a halt in immigration for a good stretch. So wouldn't be crazy to think that it has the same effect. Every year certain % of new people to the country adding to the labour pool. Stop for a year, you're suddenly missing a good chunk of candidates for the job market. I don't think we've increased immigration this year to cover the missing gaps.
 
killvino said:
I would say immigration more than demographics. Same reason we have this crazy demand for new and used vehicles. There was a halt in production and manufacturers lowered their estimates for vehicle production for a year. New cars need to come into the market to displace the amount going out. Each year since the amount of new cars hasn't been able to increase to fill that missing void.

We had a halt in immigration for a good stretch. So wouldn't be crazy to think that it has the same effect. Every year certain % of new people to the country adding to the labour pool. Stop for a year, you're suddenly missing a good chunk of candidates for the job market. I don't think we've increased immigration this year to cover the missing gaps.
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dont think this is it.

I suspect they dont just let foreign trained nurses work that easy, bet they have to jump through a bunch of hoops etc etc
 
bigpoppa said:
dont think this is it.

I suspect they dont just let foreign trained nurses work that easy, bet they have to jump through a bunch of hoops etc etc
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I meant the whole lack of labour in general not just nurses specifically.
 
killvino said:
I meant the whole lack of labour in general not just nurses specifically.
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One bonus of the interest rates going up, everyone goes from being a realtor to their real jobs again.

Labor problems solved
 
bigpoppa said:
dont think this is it.

I suspect they dont just let foreign trained nurses work that easy, bet they have to jump through a bunch of hoops etc etc
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They used to have to start again. Not sure if that has changed. In school, a lady in our house was a very highly qualified nurse in china (surgical, obstetrics, head floor nurse, etc) with decades of experience. She moved to Canada and they acknowledged nothing. Started with the first year nursing students as per provincial rules.
 
GreyGhost said:
They used to have to start again. Not sure if that has changed. In school, a lady in our house was a very highly qualified nurse in china (surgical, obstetrics, head floor nurse, etc) with decades of experience. She moved to Canada and they acknowledged nothing. Started with the first year nursing students as per provincial rules.
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I've heard its worse for doctors, in canada its a fenced old boys club.
They intentionally limit the number of students allowed in med school, and probably much harder for foreign trained doctors to practice here as well.

I personally knew dozens of kids who were solid straight A students but never got accepted into med school.
Im talking really hard ****(organic chem, advanced calculus etc etc)
 
sburns said:
Sounds like gov and hospital miss management, and people probably at the top "decision makers" gaming the system against the workers. The stupidity of our gov prevails.
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I remember in spring 2019 when my wife was working the ICU and was told by her manager that nurse-patient ratios were up because Doug Ford was making cuts to hospitals. Though he had not put out a budget yet or made any official changes to healthcare. The only explanation I could come up with was middle management trying to make things lean before anyone realized that where the fat needed cutting.
 
killvino said:
I would say immigration more than demographics. Same reason we have this crazy demand for new and used vehicles. There was a halt in production and manufacturers lowered their estimates for vehicle production for a year. New cars need to come into the market to displace the amount going out. Each year since the amount of new cars hasn't been able to increase to fill that missing void.

We had a halt in immigration for a good stretch. So wouldn't be crazy to think that it has the same effect. Every year certain % of new people to the country adding to the labour pool. Stop for a year, you're suddenly missing a good chunk of candidates for the job market. I don't think we've increased immigration this year to cover the missing gaps.
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Seems completely wrong, we have been adding record number of immigrants over the covid period, and ontario is getting the biggest share of those.

www.cicnews.com

How Canada landed 405,000 new immigrants in 2021

Canada exceeded its 2021 immigration target by landing 405,303 new permanent residents last year, according to new data obtained from IRCC by CIC News. Canada has only surpassed 400,000 newcomers one other time in its history, in 1913. The following year, the First World War broke out, and...
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bigpoppa said:
I've heard its worse for doctors, in canada its a fenced old boys club.
They intentionally limit the number of students allowed in med school, and probably much harder for foreign trained doctors to practice here as well.

I personally knew dozens of kids who were solid straight A students but never got accepted into med school.
Im talking really hard ****(organic chem, advanced calculus etc etc)
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A lot of those young doctors take the workaround route.

Can't get into med school here in Canada? No problem...our friends went to Poland instead. Did their studies there, a few stints in US / European hospitals, and now they're doctors here in Canada.

Thankfully some of them choose to come back here. Their stories are all the same...Canadian hospitals are decades behind those in the US or some European nations. 100% different. A lot of them see how good / better it is elsewhere, and just never come back into our system.

Our family doctor did the same thing, a few other acquaintances did it also...it's the other way to become a doctor if you don't get into med school here.
 
mimico_polak said:
A lot of those young doctors take the workaround route.

Can't get into med school here in Canada? No problem...our friends went to Poland instead. Did their studies there, a few stints in US / European hospitals, and now they're doctors here in Canada.

Thankfully some of them choose to come back here. Their stories are all the same...Canadian hospitals are decades behind those in the US or some European nations. 100% different. A lot of them see how good / better it is elsewhere, and just never come back into our system.

Our family doctor did the same thing, a few other acquaintances did it also...it's the other way to become a doctor if you don't get into med school here.
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100%
Its a racket in canada.

I know a few of these as well.

I cant imagine jumping through all those hoops and working that hard and then putting up with the same system that spent years ******** on you and your dreams.
 
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