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Enough of COVID...what are you doing to the house?

sburns said:
A conversation is always nice and makes better neighbours, but I like the simpler route. As @jc100 mentioned they could still refuse, or agree and not offer half to pay etc.

The previous owners of where my idiot neighbours is, built the fence on their side didn't ask just did it. They actually did a bunch of cheap reno's to perk up the place just to sell. Now that fence in the back part of the lot is falling part at the bottom because they build it right on the ground, and didn't do the posts right. Anyhow if or when time comes to replace it I would refuse just spite this jacka$$ and make sure he has no access to my property to try and fix it.
Did I mention I hate that guy.
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it doesnt matter if they refuse. they have to pay something
 
matthew said:
(a) the adjoining owner (person to whom the Notice of Intent is sent) shall pay fifty percent (50%) of the basic cost* or fifty percent (50%) of the actual cost, whichever is the lesser, having considered all the fencing quotes exchanged, and (b) the owner shall pay the balance of the actual cost. *Basic cost means the total cost of construction, replacement, maintenance or repair, as applicable, of a four (4) foot high, 1-1/2 mesh, steel chain link fence.

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Is that for the replacement of an existing fence? If no fence exists and the neighbour decides he wants one you should not have to be out of pocket.
 
timtune said:
Is that for the replacement of an existing fence? If no fence exists and the neighbour decides he wants one you should not have to be out of pocket.
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That's what I was thinking. That procedure makes sense for the first fence but if there is an existing fence, I should have no legal obligation to pay. That form does says it is for replacement as well though. What if MP wants to replace the fence every three years so it looks nice? Would his neighbour be obligated to pay half the cost of a chain link fence every time? I doubt it.
 
GreyGhost said:
That's what I was thinking. That procedure makes sense for the first fence but if there is an existing fence, I should have no legal obligation to pay. That form does says it is for replacement as well though. What if MP wants to replace the fence every three years so it looks nice? Would his neighbour be obligated to pay half the cost of a chain link fence every time? I doubt it.
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Bylaw says construct or replace

Where the owners of adjoining lands are in agreement or are able to reach agreement on the details of construction or replacement of a division fence, each of them shall construct or replace a reasonable proportion of the division fence, or shall bear a reasonable and just proportion of the cost of any work required to do so, in accordance with the agreement reached between the owners, regardless of any provision to the contrary in this by-law.

7. Where the owners of adjoining lands cannot agree or reach an agreement as referred to in section 6 above, an owner desiring to construct or replace a division fence may do so subject to complying with the following requirements:



 
matthew said:
(a) the adjoining owner (person to whom the Notice of Intent is sent) shall pay fifty percent (50%) of the basic cost* or fifty percent (50%) of the actual cost, whichever is the lesser, having considered all the fencing quotes exchanged, and (b) the owner shall pay the balance of the actual cost. *Basic cost means the total cost of construction, replacement, maintenance or repair, as applicable, of a four (4) foot high, 1-1/2 mesh, steel chain link fence.

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Thanks for that! I forgot you work for Peel!

So techincally...it may not even be worth the effort to go to the neighbours for a cost.

I can ask, they can politely tell me 'no' and that will be that.

I know my one neighbour (great guy and I like them a lot) is happy 'I haven't put up a fence yet, and all my neighbours are putting up fences...free fence for me!'

EDIT: My bigger issue is that Kevin pushed out the fence he built pre-2007 onto Peel Region property, and I'm not sure if that's recorded somewhere. So there's a good chance Peel will come by and force me to bring it back in. But that's a discussion for another day.
 
mimico_polak said:
Thanks for that! I forgot you work for Peel!

So techincally...it may not even be worth the effort to go to the neighbours for a cost.

I can ask, they can politely tell me 'no' and that will be that.

I know my one neighbour (great guy and I like them a lot) is happy 'I haven't put up a fence yet, and all my neighbours are putting up fences...free fence for me!'

EDIT: My bigger issue is that Kevin pushed out the fence he built pre-2007 onto Peel Region property, and I'm not sure if that's recorded somewhere. So there's a good chance Peel will come by and force me to bring it back in. But that's a discussion for another day.
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I work for Peel until Jan 1 2025, thanks to Douglas Ford.

Peel has no jurisdiction over fences, unless it backs onto a Peel property, which likely isn't the case for your yard You'll have to go through Mississauga for everything

Even if the neighbours tell you "no", they can pound sand. They'll have to pay the equivalent of 50% of a basic fence, whether they like it or not. That's what the bylaw and dispute PDF outline. It may only contribute $1000 towards the $22k you're quoted, but its something.
 
matthew said:
Bylaw says construct or replace

Where the owners of adjoining lands are in agreement or are able to reach agreement on the details of construction or replacement of a division fence, each of them shall construct or replace a reasonable proportion of the division fence, or shall bear a reasonable and just proportion of the cost of any work required to do so, in accordance with the agreement reached between the owners, regardless of any provision to the contrary in this by-law.

7. Where the owners of adjoining lands cannot agree or reach an agreement as referred to in section 6 above, an owner desiring to construct or replace a division fence may do so subject to complying with the following requirements:



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As written that by-law has the issue I stated. A neighbour could force others to pay for half a chain link fence at any frequency. Hell, they could do it five times a year.
 
matthew said:
I work for Peel until Jan 1 2025, thanks to Douglas Ford.

Peel has no jurisdiction over fences, unless it backs onto a Peel property, which likely isn't the case for your yard You'll have to go through Mississauga for everything

Even if the neighbours tell you "no", they can pound sand. They'll have to pay the equivalent of 50% of a basic fence, whether they like it or not. That's what the bylaw and dispute PDF outline. It may only contribute $1000 towards the $22k you're quoted, but its something.
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That's true! My mistake. I always consider PEEL and Mississauga as interchangeable.

The 22k is primarily labour as the material is much cheaper now. But regardless...I may just follow the path of the fence...existing and can show to CoM the photos measurements from 2007 back.

Blue - my fence
Red - my fence (what I assume is on Mississauga property)
Green - neighbour's fence behind my yard

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matthew said:
Even if the neighbours tell you "no", they can pound sand. They'll have to pay the equivalent of 50% of a basic fence, whether they like it or not. That's what the bylaw and dispute PDF outline. It may only contribute $1000 towards the $22k you're quoted, but its something.
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I agree but that brings you back around to general by-law issues. It is worth talking to the neighbours but I would never force them to pay $1K as I would expect them to cause me far more than $1,000 in hassle in the future. By-law is complaint based. They come when called. Most homes have a by-law infraction or two (or more).
 
mimico_polak said:
That's true! My mistake. I always consider PEEL and Mississauga as interchangeable.

The 22k is primarily labour as the material is much cheaper now. But regardless...I may just follow the path of the fence...existing and can show to CoM the photos measurements from 2007 back.

Blue - my fence
Red - my fence (what I assume is on Mississauga property)
Green - neighbour's fence behind my yard

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Check out the City's GIS site for aerial photos and property boundaries

Geocortex Viewer for HTML5

www6.mississauga.ca www6.mississauga.ca
You can search by address and enable different years for aerial photos
 
mimico_polak said:
That's true! My mistake. I always consider PEEL and Mississauga as interchangeable.

The 22k is primarily labour as the material is much cheaper now. But regardless...I may just follow the path of the fence...existing and can show to CoM the photos measurements from 2007 back.

Blue - my fence
Red - my fence (what I assume is on Mississauga property)
Green - neighbour's fence behind my yard

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Looks like 20m ROW for side street (same as front street). Side street doesn't run down the centre of ROW (closer to far side). Your PL and your backyard neighbours PL are colinear. Shoot a laser from the fence of the neighbour across the side street to see how much you've likely gained.
 
Built a 40’ split rail doweled cedar fence at the end of our driveway. Part for aesthetics and part to keep dirtbikes and sleds from using our driveway as a jump (I have both those toys also and if the wife doesn’t let me jump there no one can). Essentially it’s a good looking stay-off-my-lawn fence.
Having no neighbours is golden. Just cleared out a 75’x40’ section and put down 40yards of mulch to build a massive play structure and zip line for the kiddos (and drunk adults) and didn’t have to get anyone’s approval.
 
GreyGhost said:
You need to address grading bringing water in or provide grading to take water out. Where do you want the water to go? Is that downhill from where the water is? A drywell to keep the surface dryer while allowing time to percolate will be pretty big (probably more than triple the volume of the pond as much of the drywell is gravel and the existing soil has some capacity).
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I've got two spots where water accumulates due to a flat lot and poor drainage. I was thinking of making a pair of windmills to pump a pair of dry wells. They would be vertical fin type and use some type of flexible pump that wouldn't be damaged by freezing.
 
My neigbor built a fence. In front he aligned it with his paved drive gaining me about 2-3 feet and in back he moved it to his side about the same amount to avoid a large tree. He asked me to help pay for it but it was the same year I was building my garage and money was tight so I declined. End of story.

Somehow the bylaw still seems wrong. If I don't want a fence I should not have to pay for half.
 
The pay for half a fence goes back to medieval farming , to insure both farmers have an ok fence to keep the sheep at home . It’s not a bad law , but not everyone can afford half a fence .


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