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Enough of COVID...what are you doing to the house?

I'm planning on putting in a central location in the attic where it's nice and cool and install a small lock box there. Basement is a pain because I'm not doing anything in the basement as it's not an issue with heat.

I'm planning on removing the exterior drywall only in order to build a 2x3 (or 2x4) frame, insulate, run wires (electrical and CAT5/6) and then button it up again.
Hmm I would look more into if this is a good idea to put stuff in the attic. I don't have any specifics but I think there are some reasons you don't see much wiring and other stuff up there other then insulation. Basement is more idea, cool year around. Attics can get kinda warm in the summer which could heat up that sensitive gear. Maybe you can borrow some closet space from one of the rooms (up in a corner). Also where ever your connection from the ISP will need to be considered.
 
Hmm I would look more into if this is a good idea to put stuff in the attic. I don't have any specifics but I think there are some reasons you don't see much wiring and other stuff up there other then insulation. Basement is more idea, cool year around. Attics can get kinda warm in the summer which could heat up that sensitive gear. Maybe you can borrow some closet space from one of the rooms (up in a corner). Also where ever your connection from the ISP will need to be considered.
Fwiw, I put a switch in the attic a year ago. One that is known to run pretty warm and has no active cooling. It is mounted to the trusses so it has lots of airflow. Right now the switch is at 42 C. It is rated for room temps up to 40C. Your attic really shouldn't be at 40 if it is properly ventilated. In the summer, the switch temp climbs to ~80C. Lots of people with that switch installed within the building envelope are seeing similar temps. It has been rock solid.

Putting it in the attic means it is easy to add AP's, cameras in the soffits, etc in the future. Pre-running cat6 would get really expensive are there are many potential locations and likely only a few would ever get used.
 
Fwiw, I put a switch in the attic a year ago. One that is known to run pretty warm and has no active cooling. It is mounted to the trusses so it has lots of airflow. Right now the switch is at 42 C. It is rated for room temps up to 40C. Your attic really shouldn't be at 40 if it is properly ventilated. In the summer, the switch temp climbs to ~80C. Lots of people with that switch installed within the building envelope are seeing similar temps. It has been rock solid.

Putting it in the attic means it is easy to add AP's, cameras in the soffits, etc in the future. Pre-running cat6 would get really expensive are there are many potential locations and likely only a few would ever get used.
I try to keep the wired stuff to a bare minimum these days - WIFI is my first choice for everything. I have 4 wired access points covering the garage, house, and yard. We have about 90 devices on our home wireless network, never had a WIFI connectivity problem.
 
I try to keep the wired stuff to a bare minimum these days - WIFI is my first choice for everything. I have 4 wired access points covering the garage, house, and yard. We have about 90 devices on our home wireless network, never had a WIFI connectivity problem.
I don't trust wifi for cameras where I care about the recorded footage. Too easy to block. If I am just using it to look outside, wifi is fine. If I want a record of what happened, I have minimal faith in wireless. Current DVR uses wired cameras and is in a hard to find and reasonably inaccessible area. If I add more cameras, next DVR will be similarly located.
 
I don't trust wifi for cameras where I care about the recorded footage. Too easy to block. If I am just using it to look outside, wifi is fine. If I want a record of what happened, I have minimal faith in wireless. Current DVR uses wired cameras and is in a hard to find and reasonably inaccessible area. If I add more cameras, next DVR will be similarly located.
That's something else I'm interested in doing. But right now $700-1000 for some cameras is a little much for my budget.

Thinking a wired system is best, but haven't decided on it fully yet. Just have a few WYZE cams scattered around.
 
I don't trust wifi for cameras where I care about the recorded footage. Too easy to block. If I am just using it to look outside, wifi is fine. If I want a record of what happened, I have minimal faith in wireless. Current DVR uses wired cameras and is in a hard to find and reasonably inaccessible area. If I add more cameras, next DVR will be similarly located.
Plus it can be POE and then there are no hassles about charging WiFi cameras...
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Walls are open, run the CAT6, it is not too expensive so no big loss if it is never used... Keep it away from electrical wires (don't share holes etc.) for interference and code. I would not terminate in the attic.
 
Plus it can be POE and then there are no hassles about charging WiFi cameras...
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Walls are open, run the CAT6, it is not too expensive so no big loss if it is never used... Keep it away from electrical wires (don't share holes etc.) for interference and code. I would not terminate in the attic.
True, I forgot that point. It is often easier to run a piece of cat 6 than to try to get 120V and a weatherproof power supply near a camera.

You make a good point about Cat6. He could buy a 1000' spool as part of the project and make it his mission to build the 1000' into the project. Drops in the walls he opens, some coils left in the attic with enough length to be used for AP/cameras when he decides he wants them, etc. It sounds like he is only planning on opening the outside wall so I may even put one at each end of the wall so you could get to either end wall with a cable without it running across the whole room. MP if you are going to run CAT6 make sure you wire them properly and consistently (either A or B). My house was unterminated at the switch end and device ends were a mix of A and B. *&^(*&^*(&^(*&^.
 
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Fwiw, I put a switch in the attic a year ago. One that is known to run pretty warm and has no active cooling. It is mounted to the trusses so it has lots of airflow. Right now the switch is at 42 C. It is rated for room temps up to 40C. Your attic really shouldn't be at 40 if it is properly ventilated. In the summer, the switch temp climbs to ~80C. Lots of people with that switch installed within the building envelope are seeing similar temps. It has been rock solid.

Putting it in the attic means it is easy to add AP's, cameras in the soffits, etc in the future. Pre-running cat6 would get really expensive are there are many potential locations and likely only a few would ever get used.
FWIW a black surface like my roof can reach 170° F. I have a burn mark on my leg to prove it. Mine's an older house and needs more venting but it probably gets stinking hot up there.
 
I don't trust wifi for cameras where I care about the recorded footage. Too easy to block. If I am just using it to look outside, wifi is fine. If I want a record of what happened, I have minimal faith in wireless. Current DVR uses wired cameras and is in a hard to find and reasonably inaccessible area. If I add more cameras, next DVR will be similarly located.
I figure anyone who needs to block my WIFI could easily physically disable my cameras (paint, rocks, bazooka).

As for powering them, all my outside cameras are solar-powered.

Maybe I spent too many years in telecom -- I find wire problems are more frequent that WIFI and certainly more challenging to fix.
 
I figure anyone who needs to block my WIFI could easily physically disable my cameras (paint, rocks, bazooka).

As for powering them, all my outside cameras are solar-powered.

Maybe I spent too many years in telecom -- I find wire problems are more frequent that WIFI and certainly more challenging to fix.

WIFI cams tend to flood your network and cheap ones can actually kill your wifi for other devices. Wifi is also infinitely more difficult to diagnose and fix.

For wired cameras if it stops working there is pretty much 3 things it can be... power supply, wire, camera. Exchange power supply with known working one to remove it from suspect list. If cam still not working, move a working camera to the position, if it works, you had a faulty cam, if it doesn't some rodent has chewed your wiring. You can use a network cable tester to find out exactly where on the run it's damaged.

When it comes to wifi, if your neighbour gets a new router it can knock your cams out, chances of diagnosing/fixing it are almost impossible. I've seen people's led potlights kill their WIFI etc.

Poe hard wired it the way to go.
 
@mimico_polak yes this is right in my wheelhouse. Sorry didn't notice you tagging me earlier.

Some of the comments above all point in the right direction. Here is my $0.02

Type of Cabling:
CAT6 is all you really need. CAT7 is unnecessary for you application and you will probably be out of the house before you reach the limits of CAT6. Unless you plan on running some huge streaming service out of your house. You could even get away with CAT5e if you wanted to with gigabit hardware for traffic negotiation. Difference in cost of Cat5e and Cat6 is minimal so might as well go with what is accepted at the standard now (CAT6).

Drop locations:
You want to put as many drop location as you may anticipate using a device in that spot now or in the future. You may not have an office or TV in that spot today but in 1-2 years you will remodel and use that space as the kids entertainment room. Each location should get 1-2 drops at minimum as this will allow you to add more devices in the future. Home office location should be 3-4 drops. You want to avoid adding small network switches all over the house/office to "split" the signal. A single 5 port switch that is faulty can bring down the entire network and your are then running all over the place trying to find the cause of the issue. Having 1 larger switch is the better way to go as it keeps things clean, centralized and easier to manage. Any stationary device should be connected via hard wired ethernet(TVs, gaming consoles, printers, laptops, desktops etc.). Your wireless Wi-Fi should only be reserved for devices that cannot be hard wired i.e. phone, tablet, smart home devices etc. Even a laptop with no physical LAN port can be hardwired with an ethernet to USB adapter. Just as you can add a Ethernet to USB adapter to a Amazon Fire Stick etc.
As with anything, as long as you have the proper foundation and infrastructure in place you area ready for anything your mind comes up with in the future. Last thing you want to do is rip out walls again or say "Crap, I should have run an additional drop to this corner of the room"

Location of access points:
Access points should be located on the ceiling, on each floor, and centered to the floor plan as much as possible. If I can, I will stick them in a laundry room or possibly a closet (depending on size). Just to keep it out of the open area but still accessible. However, POE access points today are getting sexier and put your typical smoke detector that is already on your ceiling to shame.

Access points should be POE/POE+. Meaning the ethernet cable supplies the power to the device as well as transmits data.
They can be powered by a POE injector or a POE ready network switch. Switches with POE ports are a little more expensive but do save the space in the network rack as individual injectors are not needed.

When you have multiple access points hardwired on the network (a hardwired mesh) they all operate on the same SSID and act as 1 huge antenna. Your device (phone/tablet) will auto negotiate which physical unit is providing the better signal and use that WAP for any network connectivity.

If you want to get fancy, you can set up multiple SSIDs. Once for you and your family to use, one for your guests to use etc, etc. Even fancier, you can set limits and schedules on each SSIDs or device that is connected to the SSID. (i.e. KIDS-WiFi is only available between certain hours)

Location of Patch panel and main network switch:
The patch panel, which is your centralized point of termination for all your network drops should be accessible and kept in a cool/dry place. You want to avoid really hot places as the network switch is an electronic device and does not like heat. The attic is not the greatest place as it gets REALLY got in the summer. (should only be used as the last resort) Again, a closet or laundry room is a good spot for it. Even better in the basement.
Ideally you want your ISP router at this location and network switch with POE injectors if being used. If there are any other smart home devices or A/V equipment , it is a good idea to place them here as well of space allows for it.

Type of Hardware:
You want all your hardware to be rated for gigabit speed. (I don't know why they still sell 100Mbps switches) For your application TP-Link is perfectly fine when taking cost and performance into consideration. This goes for POE access points as well as network switches. Ubiquiti is another really popular brand but cost is much higher and you probably would not notice any performance difference. TP-Link devices are easy to set up, configure and troubleshoot if needed.
You want to go with WiFi6 rated access points but I bet you that is even overkill if you plan on having physical ethernet drops throughout the house.

Your router from the ISP is more than fine for your application, but there are many other options available.

The KISS principle applies here very well.

Mesh Wi-Fi:
These are typically aimed at DIYers or where running cables is not possible. Not to take anything away from DIYers or people who do not want to put up the cost or go through the trouble of running cables.
They do work and can work well, but nothing will beat a physical hardwired connection.

Hope that helps.
This type of work is one of the things I do for a living. Let me know when you want to tackle this and I would be more than happy to come by and help you out.
 
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WIFI cams tend to flood your network and cheap ones can actually kill your wifi for other devices. Wifi is also infinitely more difficult to diagnose and fix.

For wired cameras if it stops working there is pretty much 3 things it can be... power supply, wire, camera. Exchange power supply with known working one to remove it from suspect list. If cam still not working, move a working camera to the position, if it works, you had a faulty cam, if it doesn't some rodent has chewed your wiring. You can use a network cable tester to find out exactly where on the run it's damaged.

When it comes to wifi, if your neighbour gets a new router it can knock your cams out, chances of diagnosing/fixing it are almost impossible. I've seen people's led potlights kill their WIFI etc.

Poe hard wired it the way to go.
I get asked all the time if I install Wi-Fi cameras.
I only do hard wired cameras, powered by POE switch or the NVR itself.
Wi-Fi cameras still need to get powered.(unless using solar of course)
If I am running a cable to power the camera, I might as well run a cable to power it and transfer its data.
 
I've got switches in each of the four upstairs bedrooms, and in the basement, the modem and a switch at the front of the house, as well as a wifi router and switch at the back of the main floor. There is a mesh wireless extender in the hard to reach spot of the house. The wires run mostly around the baseboards, and through closests. It just seemed easier to put in multiple 5-8 port switches than to try and route long wires from one switch. I can plug my laptop into the network while in bed or use wireless. I think the kids are all using wired connections at the moment.
 
I scored some "Rigid Core Luxury Vinyl Plank" at a very low price from a home depot in-store sale. https://www.homedepot.ca/product/tr...l-plank-flooring-24-90-sq-ft-case-/1001513524

It will be a floating installation on ground floor concrete slab, it can get wet from the sink, tenants might wipe it or they might pee on it. There was even a hint of storing a motorcycle in the studio, but that won't happen. Flooding is a possibility. I know I need VB but what flooring underlayment should I use?

TrafficMaster Standard Polyethylene Foam. $0.17 sq/ft Basic, cheap and easy to install. I am worried it might feel too rigid and cold https://www.homedepot.ca/product/tr...yethylene-foam-1-in-1-underlayment/1001102030

Home Crafters Rigid Core Flooring Underlayment $0.30 sq/ft It is supposed to be right for my type of installation plus it has some fancy marketing talk. https://www.homedepot.ca/product/ho...3-rigid-core-flooring-underlayment/1001618988

DMX 1-Step 2.0 $0.90 sq/ft It seems to have a lot of good marketing talk and good reviews. It should be considerably better than the above, but is it worth the extra money? Finances are tight, but I don't want to regret saving on the underlay and having to do it again. https://www.homedepot.ca/product/dmx-plastics-limited-dmx-1-step-2-0/1001513953
 
Thanks @oioioi for the detailed explanation. The hardest part of that will be finding a path to the basement…or the switch can go in the garage as it doesn’t get too hot there. Never seen more than 22C or so I’m the garage.

Lots of time to decide.

I saw CAT6 cable for $150/1000ft which should be more than enough to cover my house.

I was planning on putting in any hard wire drops but I guess if I’m already there…it can’t hurt to add 1-2 per room.
 
That's something else I'm interested in doing. But right now $700-1000 for some cameras is a little much for my budget.

Thinking a wired system is best, but haven't decided on it fully yet. Just have a few WYZE cams scattered around.
Cameras powered by the DVR is the way to go and since the cables come with the camera system now is the time to get them if you’re already running cables. This is the route I went btw.
 
Just looking over my project now, it's funny how it grows each passing day!

Need to insulate the house:

Interior
- wait...maybe we should do the windows (so now need a permit because of local snoop)
- wiring
- internet
- why not do the lights also to LEDs around the house
- new ceiling
- while you're doing the ceiling may as well insulate better so get rid of existing insulation and re-do

Exterior
- put in 1" styrofoam prior to installing siding
- well need to remove soffits to properly raise it up
- may as well do LED's around the rest of the house while the soffits are out
- move the high voltage line away to install siding underneath

My brain hurts. My 'simple' project has grown 5x now.
 
Thanks @oioioi for the detailed explanation. The hardest part of that will be finding a path to the basement…or the switch can go in the garage as it doesn’t get too hot there. Never seen more than 22C or so I’m the garage.

Lots of time to decide.

I saw CAT6 cable for $150/1000ft which should be more than enough to cover my house.

I was planning on putting in any hard wire drops but I guess if I’m already there…it can’t hurt to add 1-2 per room.

$150 for a box of Cat6 would be on the low side. Possibly low quality. Copper clad aluminum. Yes it will work but its better to get actual copper cables. Where did you see this.

Cameras powered by the DVR is the way to go and since the cables come with the camera system now is the time to get them if you’re already running cables. This is the route I went btw.
The bundled packages that have camera and cable are the big box store type and quality. They are priced low to attract buyers and are made with low end components.

DVR's (Digital Video Recorder) have cables with premade BNC and DC power connections.. These are bulkier and harder to run and the lengths are almost never what you need it to be. Either too short which you now need to extend or too long and you need to find a way to maintain he spaghetti of cables

NVR's (Network Video Recorder) also come with packaged cables and these would be Ethernet cables with terminated RJ45s. A little easier to run through small hole/crevasse but the length issue also applies here.

DVRs themselves don't cameras, they need a separate power supply. NVR's have built in POE functionality and can power up IP cameras.

Don't forget that all exterior cameras need to be mounted in a proper mounting back box. Each brand/model of cameras will have its own back boxes as the spacing for the mounting holes is not the same across the board. This is mostly for containing the cable connections in a waterproof environment and allow you to adjust the camera easily.

Running cable out of a bulk box and terminating each end as needed to the way to go. But that requires some tools and testing equipment.
 
Just looking over my project now, it's funny how it grows each passing day!

Need to insulate the house:

Interior
- wait...maybe we should do the windows (so now need a permit because of local snoop)
- wiring
- internet
- why not do the lights also to LEDs around the house
- new ceiling
- while you're doing the ceiling may as well insulate better so get rid of existing insulation and re-do

Exterior
- put in 1" styrofoam prior to installing siding
- well need to remove soffits to properly raise it up
- may as well do LED's around the rest of the house while the soffits are out
- move the high voltage line away to install siding underneath

My brain hurts. My 'simple' project has grown 5x now.

I might be wrong but I do not think a permit is required for replacing windows. Especially if you are not doing anything structural to enlarge the windows cavity or making it smaller.

High voltage line may not need to be removed but the Utility company (or its contractor) may install the orange covering you often see on reno projects.
 
$150 for a box of Cat6 would be on the low side. Possibly low quality. Copper clad aluminum. Yes it will work but its better to get actual copper cables. Where did you see this.

Honestly it was a 2min search to get my bearings so Kijiji. Possibly stolen.

 

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