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These aggregated lists are always a bit iffy. The Nissan USA site does offer a manual option for the Versa, but CVT is the only option for all Versa trims on the Nissan Canada site. Same with the Mitsubishi Mirage, from what I can tell.

But as pointed out, it looks like manual transmissions are now getting pushed up into some of the higher sporty trims for some models. I'll have to undo my conditioning of looking for them on the base models.
 
The point is wind power fluctuates output capacity depending on the weather patterns.
Electricity does not travel well. Having a lot of capacity far from demand is problematic.
With global warming wind patterns will change.
We will need backup options such as nuclear and hydrocarbons for a long time to come.
With the will power and advanced technology even coal could become near zero emission.
The problem of nuclear is the Homer Simpsons of the world,
Hydro has its own dark side in changing fish habitat.
Lets keep our options open while we still can.
Wind power.... the biggest scam ever sold.

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Makes up 6% of power but costs 13% of the budget.

If you want to get angry, look into the contracts and guarantees that were given. The only thing that windmills are producing is money for the owners and we are not the owners.
 
Wind power.... the biggest scam ever sold.

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Makes up 6% of power but costs 13% of the budget.

If you want to get angry, look into the contracts and guarantees that were given. The only thing that windmills are producing is money for the owners and we are not the owners.
What? It is 13 cents per kwh not 13%. If you want to be angry look at mcguintys first batch of solar contracts at 87 cents per kwh for 20 years.
 
Not sure why the outrage. Wind power is less costly than natural gas and is relatively free of environmental risks. Nuclear and hydroelectric have the advantage of their base equipment having been installed decades ago and amortized ever since. Power generation needs to use a blend of different sources ... and we do.

Solar is in its infancy as far as large-scale power generation goes. Of course it's going to cost more initially.
 
Not sure why the outrage. Wind power is less costly than natural gas and is relatively free of environmental risks. Nuclear and hydroelectric have the advantage of their base equipment having been installed decades ago and amortized ever since. Power generation needs to use a blend of different sources ... and we do.

Solar is in its infancy as far as large-scale power generation goes. Of course it's going to cost more initially.
i have no problem with solar costing more. The problem was 87 cents. If McGuinty wanted xx MW of solar, he should have done an RFQ and installed the cheapest xx MW. The same solar would have been installed at half the cost. Politicians setting the price created an unnecessary and unhelpful dumpster fire of our money.
 
Civic can have manual (but based on your research not in a base car). It is no longer the default/cheaper option. It is sold on the mid-performance variants. Top performance often locks you into some form of performance auto like dual clutch (although civic type r is manual).

Yeah, DCTs have made manuals a "performative" feature rather than a performance option.

Being able to row your own gears is basically the ticket for entry to the Rice-Boy-Civic-Nation cadre. Honda will never not offer a Type-R without a stick.
 
Yeah, DCTs have made manuals a "performative" feature rather than a performance option.

Being able to row your own gears is basically the ticket for entry to the Rice-Boy-Civic-Nation cadre. Honda will never not offer a Type-R without a stick.
I wouldn't be so sure...first time ever there's no STI from Subaru, and the top spec WRX is CVT only.

It's coming...it's just slowly making it's way through all the models.
 
I wouldn't be so sure...first time ever there's no STI from Subaru, and the top spec WRX is CVT only.

It's coming...it's just slowly making it's way through all the models.
Barf. CVT for the WRX? The worst.

Most supercars dropped standard long ago.

Standard is disappearing from the bottom and top of the pile. Only a few left in the middle. I don't expect many more new standards to get designed/manufactured as volume won't be there. Europe is probably the reason we haven't lost them all already.
 
Barf. CVT for the WRX? The worst.

Most supercars dropped standard long ago.

Standard is disappearing from the bottom and top of the pile. Only a few left in the middle. I don't expect many more new standards to get designed/manufactured as volume won't be there. Europe is probably the reason we haven't lost them all already.
I dunno…if my WRX was the CVT I’d probably have kept it. The 6MT was a pain in traffic compared to the stick in the GTI.

Plus they say it’s a diff CVT than the standard Impreza which is hot 💩 of a transmission.
 
Pedestrian friendly hoods
!?!? Most cars on the road and most cars being sold are SUVs and trucks. They are, from the get go, more dangerous for pedestrians and other smaller cars. Most SUV and truck drivers don't have or want manual transmission, so i dont think it's the hoods on compact cars that are having such an impact.
And honestly for the average suburbanite travelling in stop and go traffic, manual isn't really ideal.

I still have a manual station wagon (so perfect for my camping trips and loading dogs) but i've made my peace with the fact that next car probably won't have a manual transmission. And sadly there might not be a non-luxury station wagon left/being made in North America, which is depressing when you consider that drag coefficient does have an effect on all that gas economy that we're trying to achieve.
 
Not sure why the outrage. Wind power is less costly than natural gas and is relatively free of environmental risks. Nuclear and hydroelectric have the advantage of their base equipment having been installed decades ago and amortized ever since. Power generation needs to use a blend of different sources ... and we do.

Solar is in its infancy as far as large-scale power generation goes. Of course it's going to cost more initially.
Wind power costs a lot more than natural gas. The raw generating costs are about the same, somewhere between 12 and 15c/kwh, the big difference is wind turbines work best when there is little demand (spring and fall and overnight). As a result, copious amounts of wind power are dumped. With gas, you just shut the burners down and don't generate unnecessary energy. Ever see a wind turbine not spinning on a windy day? That happens because OntarioHydro can curtail wind generators by 10% by paying them a curtailing fee (a fee to stop generating) when there is too much power.

On a windy day in the spring, wind will generate 85,000MWh for Ontario, however those are periods of low demand, the grid only wants of 4MWh. Ontario Hydro will curtail 8.5MWh of wind generation (meaning they pay generators to idle their generators), then accept and pay for the remaining 76.5MWhs at contract rates. They will use 4MWh, the rest will be dumped. The net cost for the 76.5 MWh is about 0.16/MWh. The average selling price is .07MHh for the 4MWhs needed, and .002/MWH for the dumped electricity. After the math is done, the loss on generating wind in Ontario for each blustery spring & fall day is around $12million.

Wind is certainly greener, and as the cost and carbon tax mount on natural gas, it will eventually become cheaper.

But not today.
 
!?!? Most cars on the road and most cars being sold are SUVs and trucks. They are, from the get go, more dangerous for pedestrians and other smaller cars. Most SUV and truck drivers don't have or want manual transmission, so i dont think it's the hoods on compact cars that are having such an impact.
And honestly for the average suburbanite travelling in stop and go traffic, manual isn't really ideal.

I still have a manual station wagon (so perfect for my camping trips and loading dogs) but i've made my peace with the fact that next car probably won't have a manual transmission. And sadly there might not be a non-luxury station wagon left/being made in North America, which is depressing when you consider that drag coefficient does have an effect on all that gas economy that we're trying to achieve.
Not just drag coefficient. Manufacturers like to focus on that. What matters is drag coefficient times frontal area. There are crickets around discussion of frontal area. The roof rack rails they like to mount on most vehicles in the hopes that you buy $1000 crossbars increase frontal area with zero benefit to most owners. A wagon compared to an SUV has a substantially reduced frontal area.
 
Wind power costs a lot more than natural gas. The raw generating costs are about the same, somewhere between 12 and 15c/kwh, the big difference is wind turbines work best when there is little demand (spring and fall and overnight). As a result, copious amounts of wind power are dumped. With gas, you just shut the burners down and don't generate unnecessary energy. Ever see a wind turbine not spinning on a windy day? That happens because OntarioHydro can curtail wind generators by 10% by paying them a curtailing fee (a fee to stop generating) when there is too much power.

On a windy day in the spring, wind will generate 85,000MWh for Ontario, however those are periods of low demand, the grid only wants of 4MWh. Ontario Hydro will curtail 8.5MWh of wind generation (meaning they pay generators to idle their generators), then accept and pay for the remaining 76.5MWhs at contract rates. They will use 4MWh, the rest will be dumped. The net cost for the 76.5 MWh is about 0.16/MWh. The average selling price is .07MHh for the 4MWhs needed, and .002/MWH for the dumped electricity. After the math is done, the loss on generating wind in Ontario for each blustery spring & fall day is around $12million.

Wind is certainly greener, and as the cost and carbon tax mount on natural gas, it will eventually become cheaper.

But not today.
Have you seen the NG contracts? Baseload NG isn't too bad, the peak contracts are brutal (but thankfully not used for too many MWH/year). It's dispatchable power which is obviously good but price is much much higher than we are paying for wind.
 
Not just drag coefficient. Manufacturers like to focus on that. What matters is drag coefficient times frontal area. There are crickets around discussion of frontal area. The roof rack rails they like to mount on most vehicles in the hopes that you buy $1000 crossbars increase frontal area with zero benefit to most owners. A wagon compared to an SUV has a substantially reduced frontal area.
My 1500lb '69 Spitfire has a .39Cd, that's worse than my Dodge 5700lb RAM 4x4 at 0.357Cd.

Aerodynamics has come a long way.
 
My 1500lb '69 Spitfire has a .39Cd, that's worse than my Dodge 5700lb RAM 4x4 at 0.357Cd.

Aerodynamics has come a long way.
And that's where the multiplication gets ignored. Dodge ram CdA equals 18.25. Spitfire CdA equals 6.5. Both carry one person most of the time. Drag on the truck is triple even though Cd is lower.
 
Have you seen the NG contracts? Baseload NG isn't too bad, the peak contracts are brutal (but thankfully not used for too many MWH/year). It's dispatchable power which is obviously good but price is much much higher than we are paying for wind.
Natural Gas and Bio plants are only generating when there is demand. Hydro curtails generation by dumping water at very little cost, wind has days where it dunps 10% under curtailment agreements but accepts, pays, and then dumps generated power at nearly 100% loss.

In the case of wind, you can't turn off the meter. The dumping costs for wind power are not factored into the costs per MWh, it's just the generating costs in the tables above. Dumped electricity is a real cost that you pay for in your electricity bill.
 
And that's where the multiplication gets ignored. Dodge ram CdA equals 18.25. Spitfire CdA equals 6.5. Both carry one person most of the time. Drag on the truck is triple even though Cd is lower.
Is that why my truck uses so much more fuel?
 
Is that why my truck uses so much more fuel?
Might be a part of the equation. Maybe.

But overall cars are bigger (do we need to re-do the comparison of the avg pickup truck from 15 years ago to now!?)
Seeing the civic be the size of that i'd think an accord should be is another prime example.

Everything has ballooned in size and weight has slowly increased too. So maybe the engines are better but some of the designs counter all the gains that have been made.
I mean imagine having a small hatch back electric car vs an electric hummer (which, sidebar, is the biggest paradox in the car industry/history) which one spends more energy? In the end even if everyone ends up in an EV it helps a bit, but people are still stuck in traffic and people will still get killed by the thousands in north america every year
 
!?!? Most cars on the road and most cars being sold are SUVs and trucks. They are, from the get go, more dangerous for pedestrians and other smaller cars. Most SUV and truck drivers don't have or want manual transmission, so i dont think it's the hoods on compact cars that are having such an impact.
And honestly for the average suburbanite travelling in stop and go traffic, manual isn't really ideal.

I still have a manual station wagon (so perfect for my camping trips and loading dogs) but i've made my peace with the fact that next car probably won't have a manual transmission. And sadly there might not be a non-luxury station wagon left/being made in North America, which is depressing when you consider that drag coefficient does have an effect on all that gas economy that we're trying to achieve.
Hoods must have either crumple zone space between the hood and the engine, or have poppers that pop the hood up at the hinges so that when a pedestrian is hit, they don't contact the engine. A good friend of mine has been a car designer for years. That's how he explained it to me (or that's how I remember him explaining it to me).
 

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