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Elephant in the Covid room
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I get that, I guess you missed the point when i posted that we aren't ever going to catch the US in vaccines given. I give a rats ass about percentages. What i care about is how many and quickly can we get the vaccine into peoples arms. This in lies the problem, not the percentage game you seem to be coming up with
I don't follow you on this. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your intent.
If Canada has 40mil population and we double jab everyone, then we are at 80 million jabs.
If the US has 300mil population and they single jab 115million, then they still win, because they gave a higher amount of jabs?
Due to their sheer population size, we will never, ever reach the same number of total jabs.
Am I missing something here?
We're a smaller population. What relevance is the absolute number of vaccines given?
The USA has already delivered enough vaccines to cover our entire population 4 times over ... but it's borderline insufficient to control the infection rate there because they have a population 9 times bigger.
Israel has the pandemic pretty much under control having covered about 63% of their much smaller population. But they've "only" delivered 12 million doses total (first and second)! So is that not a success??
India has administered about 150 million doses to their own population ... 12 times more than Israel has. And yet, it's a humanitarian disaster there, because this is not even remotely enough for their 1.4 billion population.
The percentages matter. It's not a "game". The evidence on the ground is that when somewhere near 40% - 45% of the population is covered, it's not enough to bring infection rates down, but it dampens spikes. Around 50%, it starts coming down (UK). Around 60%, the pandemic is more-or-less over (Israel) ... unless there's a more-infectious variant. Israel wants to vaccinate teenagers (they haven't yet) to make sure of it.
The USA has already delivered enough vaccines to cover our entire population 4 times over ... but it's borderline insufficient to control the infection rate there because they have a population 9 times bigger.
Israel has the pandemic pretty much under control having covered about 63% of their much smaller population. But they've "only" delivered 12 million doses total (first and second)! So is that not a success??
India has administered about 150 million doses to their own population ... 12 times more than Israel has. And yet, it's a humanitarian disaster there, because this is not even remotely enough for their 1.4 billion population.
The percentages matter. It's not a "game". The evidence on the ground is that when somewhere near 40% - 45% of the population is covered, it's not enough to bring infection rates down, but it dampens spikes. Around 50%, it starts coming down (UK). Around 60%, the pandemic is more-or-less over (Israel) ... unless there's a more-infectious variant. Israel wants to vaccinate teenagers (they haven't yet) to make sure of it.
What is being missed is don't give a crap about what happens south of us, i care about the lack of vaccines that we don't have in this country to work our way out of a man made problem, Promise made but not keep. ******** face of how many shots coming and not even getting half that.
really who gives a **** about dick measuring when it comes to covid, Playing numbers don't change the situation one bit
Well that's not good. Seychelles here we come. When will chief dumb dumb finally take border quarantine seriously? Frig. My five year old has a better grasp of infection control than JT does.
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"A new study involving tens of thousands of participants in Qatar found a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNech coronavirus vaccine was only 30 per cent effective at preventing infection by the B.1.1.7 variant now pervasive in Ontario, and only 55 per cent effective at preventing hospitalization or death."
"For the B.1.351 variant first discovered in South Africa, the study saw even poorer results from one dose.
The study found one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was only 17 per cent effective in preventing infection by B.1.351.
It was found to be zero per cent effective in preventing hospitalization or death due to B.1.351.
The B.1.351 variant is only sporadically detected in Ontario, with only 246 examples detected in the past month."
Hmmmn. Need to see if this is overly alarmist or not. It doesn’t sound good on the surface!
Published in NEJM so that's something. I would be more likely to discount it if it was in Big Mikes book of meducine.
I have a mediocre memory however , were you not the fella that would NOT be getting a vaccine shot , even if we developed one about a year and a bit ago??
How do you know your wages are competitive?
Maybe till i thought it through and i don’t want to be the guy that possibly give covid to my daughter
But if you got the post and I’m sure you do looking for a ah ha moment
I’ll go back and correct it
What?
You compare them to other people’s wages
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just saw this on Facebook
ca.news.yahoo.com
All Peel Region residents 18+ now eligible to book COVID-19 vaccine shots as of Thursday
All Peel Region residents aged 18 and over will be eligible to book COVID-19 vaccination appointments starting on Thursday at 8 a.m. Mississauga Mayor Bonnie Crombie said on Wednesday that vaccine eligibility is expanding to include those who are 18 years and older but who live outside...
You actually worry about what others are making as a paycheck? Why would you waste time doing that.
EVERY country was "holding their suppliers feet to the fire". When there's only so much to go around...yelling and stomping your feet isn't going to accomplish much - the suppliers are still going to divvy it up, not just give all of it to one country or the other because someone is on the line yelling louder than the next person on line 2....or line 22.
The USA escaped that with domestic supply capacity. That's the only reason.
It's not like there was some other magical way.
This was the first thing that came to mind when I read that story as well. I suspect there will be more to it as the minutiae of the study and the comparisons come out in the weeks ahead.
But regardless, we should be moving into second shots for many in the weeks ahead, as mentioned. I don't think the original 4 month plan will hold in the end. The next bridge I can see we're going to have to cross is mixed dosing - people who got AZ as their first shot but will be offered PF or Moderna as their second shot, or Moderna and Pfizer interchangably. It's looking like there may actually be benefits to that contrary to the automatic assumption of some who think it's a bad thing while really having never bothered to look up the details on such.
I didn't want to be first but not dead last either.
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