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Electric Truck - Anyone have a Ford Lightning or Pre Order a Silverado EV?

Dr.Manhattan

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I've been eyeing the Silverado EV since the specs and pictures came out, and might be looking to put a down payment on one. If anyone remembers my truck woes from last year with GM im pretty pessimistic with this truck not having any issues. I have a fully loaded AT4 now as of October and so far it's been working flawlessly. I was called last week by the dealer and was granted the option of putting a down payment on the Silverado EV for Q3/4 estimated deliveries. I've been doing some research on them, and I've been becoming more interested as gas prices up north are just getting insane now ( 1.70 so far....probably 1.90 by summer).

A friend of mine just bought a Ford Lightning and so far so good. He has only had it for a little bit, but already he says the performance is incredible, and is saving $500 a month alone on gas. Anyone else looking to make the jump?
 
Dr.Manhattan said:
I've been eyeing the Silverado EV since the specs and pictures came out, and might be looking to put a down payment on one. If anyone remembers my truck woes from last year with GM im pretty pessimistic with this truck not having any issues. I have a fully loaded AT4 now as of October and so far it's been working flawlessly. I was called last week by the dealer and was granted the option of putting a down payment on the Silverado EV for Q3/4 estimated deliveries. I've been doing some research on them, and I've been becoming more interested as gas prices up north are just getting insane now ( 1.70 so far....probably 1.90 by summer).

A friend of mine just bought a Ford Lightning and so far so good. He has only had it for a little bit, but already he says the performance is incredible, and is saving $500 a month alone on gas. Anyone else looking to make the jump?
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I am interested in one as well what dealer called you do they have more coming

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Scuba Steve said:
I am interested in one as well what dealer called you do they have more coming

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I'll let you know Steve. It's Dryden GM, they mostly just deal with Trucks and SUVs. Im still pretty skeptical on the timelines with chips shortages finally just making their way to pre-existing trucks, but hey you never know.
 
There is a member here with an F150 Lightning that has had it for some time now, but I can't recall who it is.

From all he's mentioned he's very happy with it also.
 
Dr.Manhattan said:
I've been eyeing the Silverado EV since the specs and pictures came out, and might be looking to put a down payment on one. If anyone remembers my truck woes from last year with GM im pretty pessimistic with this truck not having any issues. I have a fully loaded AT4 now as of October and so far it's been working flawlessly. I was called last week by the dealer and was granted the option of putting a down payment on the Silverado EV for Q3/4 estimated deliveries. I've been doing some research on them, and I've been becoming more interested as gas prices up north are just getting insane now ( 1.70 so far....probably 1.90 by summer).

A friend of mine just bought a Ford Lightning and so far so good. He has only had it for a little bit, but already he says the performance is incredible, and is saving $500 a month alone on gas. Anyone else looking to make the jump?
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Someone mentioned elsewhere that Dougies generosity with plate stickers may be a step in the direction of a Km tax on driving. More EVs means less road tax income from gas sales. Gasoline sales are cash cows for the government.

The Km charge will offset the gas savings. The tip of the wedge will be thin.....

A friend is a master electrician and says the installation of a charger isn't cheap but he's a nit picker. Inspection is a PITA but he's not pre-approved with ESA. It is however a one time cost.


The next door neighbour has a Maverick Hybrid and isn't complaining.
 
Dr.Manhattan said:
I've been eyeing the Silverado EV since the specs and pictures came out, and might be looking to put a down payment on one. If anyone remembers my truck woes from last year with GM im pretty pessimistic with this truck not having any issues. I have a fully loaded AT4 now as of October and so far it's been working flawlessly. I was called last week by the dealer and was granted the option of putting a down payment on the Silverado EV for Q3/4 estimated deliveries. I've been doing some research on them, and I've been becoming more interested as gas prices up north are just getting insane now ( 1.70 so far....probably 1.90 by summer).

A friend of mine just bought a Ford Lightning and so far so good. He has only had it for a little bit, but already he says the performance is incredible, and is saving $500 a month alone on gas. Anyone else looking to make the jump?
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My kid bought a 22 Silverado, he lives in the north. At 26,000km (about a month ago) the transmission failed. The truck went in on a Monday, the dealer gave him a loaner Colorado, and he got his truck back that Friday. GM replaced the transmission. If you are north of North Bay,fuel costs can be 10-20c/l higher than -- that really adds up on a vehicle that when playing nice uses 16l/100km.

The Silverado EV is it a truck or a GM version of a Ridgeline? The Lightning appears to be a full-on truck.

You're looking at a substantial price premium for an Silverado RSV over a AT4 ($140K vs $90K)-- so you're going to pay $1,150 more a month to finance a Silverado EV. You would see a real drop cost/km for fuel, but to recover that finance cost you'd need to be travelling 6,500km/mo -- that's assuming you were able to charge exclusively at home electricity rates and gas averaged $1.60/l.

If the WT version comes out late 2024 at a GM's projected price of $50K CAD, you have a no brainer. Economics on that are exceptional.
 
Mad Mike said:
My kid bought a 22 Silverado, he lives in the north. At 26,000km (about a month ago) the transmission failed. The truck went in on a Monday, the dealer gave him a loaner Colorado, and he got his truck back that Friday. GM replaced the transmission. If you are north of North Bay,fuel costs can be 10-20c/l higher than -- that really adds up on a vehicle that when playing nice uses 16l/100km.

The Silverado EV is it a truck or a GM version of a Ridgeline? The Lightning appears to be a full-on truck.

You're looking at a substantial price premium for an Silverado RSV over a AT4 ($140K vs $90K)-- so you're going to pay $1,150 more a month to finance a Silverado EV. You would see a real drop cost/km for fuel, but to recover that finance cost you'd need to be travelling 6,500km/mo -- that's assuming you were able to charge exclusively at home electricity rates and gas averaged $1.60/l.

If the WT version comes out late 2024 at a GM's projected price of $50K CAD, you have a no brainer. Economics on that are exceptional.
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The EV is more of a utility work truck instead of the RSV which is the luxury edition. Make no mistake the EV still looks really nice (First-Ever Silverado EV: Electric Truck | Chevrolet). Because of inflation and availability I see the price of the EV going up higher anyway. Dealer hasn't really given me a price yet, they are still looking at details, it's more of a small down payment to reserve one as soon as it comes available which they are saying could be in 6-7 months (still doubtful). All the information on it looks really good......but I feel like I'd have to be an idiot to be that guy that buys the 1st gen.
 
Dr.Manhattan said:
The EV is more of a utility work truck instead of the RSV which is the luxury edition. Make no mistake the EV still looks really nice (First-Ever Silverado EV: Electric Truck | Chevrolet). Because of inflation and availability I see the price of the EV going up higher anyway. Dealer hasn't really given me a price yet, they are still looking at details, it's more of a small down payment to reserve one as soon as it comes available which they are saying could be in 6-7 months (still doubtful). All the information on it looks really good......but I feel like I'd have to be an idiot to be that guy that buys the 1st gen.
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You pretty much know the Canadian price will be a multiple of the US, somewhere around 1.3 for luxury cars. The US price with delivery is about $110K, so figure about $145CAD + lux tax of another $9K + $20K HST and you're at a paltry $174K!

Gotta be pretty green-minded to part with that much green.
 
Mad Mike said:
You pretty much know the Canadian price will be a multiple of the US, somewhere around 1.3 for luxury cars. The US price with delivery is about $110K, so figure about $145CAD + lux tax of another $9K + $20K HST and you're at a paltry $174K!

Gotta be pretty green-minded to part with that much green.
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Did a Ferrari F355 cost that much in the 90's? Wasn't a pickup truck around $35k back then too? And a house was $174k. Damn.
 
Most of those "towing disaster" videos on youtube are clickbait video producers who create a situation that is destined to fail. You need to analyse your own actual usage patterns to see whether it's going to work for you. YES the range will be shorter when towing, possibly considerably so. How frequently will you be doing this? How much will you actually be towing? How far will you actually be towing? If you really will be towing something big a fair distance, how frequently do you do this? Are charging stations available along your routes for doing this? (check PlugShare) If you only do this once or twice per year, so what if you have to stop for half an hour every so often?

Most people never tow trailers with their pickup trucks.
Most who do, only tow small trailers that the truck will barely notice.
Most who do, only do so for short distances once in a while.
Most who do, aren't towing big trailers in winter (which also is a range-killer).
Most who tow trailers routinely (contractors) only tow short distances. (Contractors usually do local jobs, or if they have to travel to a distant job, they stay at the job site. The contractor who did my roof is based about 10 km away. If you're driving three hours every day with a roofing trailer in tow, you're doing it wrong.)
If you really do tow a house trailer in winter across the country every day then maybe an EV isn't for you. But ... most people don't do that.

In my travels, I usually see one or two F150 Lightnings every day. They're out there.

On a somewhat related note, I have a Windsor trip tomorrow in my supposedly-agonisingly-slow-charging Chevy Bolt. In 32,000 km (in 9 months! - I do double the annual driving of the average driver) this is only the second trip that has considerably exceeded the car's range. I'm not expecting any problems.
 
Mad Mike said:
The Silverado EV is it a truck or a GM version of a Ridgeline? The Lightning appears to be a full-on truck.
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Disclaimer I am not a "truck person". But ... What's wrong with the Ridgeline (or Avalanche - which the Silverado EV is also accused of being)?

What's wrong with being able to fold down a mid-gate so as to be able to carry a much longer object with the tailgate up?

OK so it's unibody construction. So what? Should be better for ride and handling, better for avoiding squeaks and rattles, etc.
 
Mad Mike said:
You pretty much know the Canadian price will be a multiple of the US, somewhere around 1.3 for luxury cars. The US price with delivery is about $110K, so figure about $145CAD + lux tax of another $9K + $20K HST and you're at a paltry $174K!

Gotta be pretty green-minded to part with that much green.
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That pricing is for the RST. GM is still saying US$39k for the base W/T in USA. Reserve a First-Ever Silverado EV | Chevrolet
 
Brian P said:
Most of those "towing disaster" videos on youtube are clickbait video producers who create a situation that is destined to fail. You need to analyse your own actual usage patterns to see whether it's going to work for you. YES the range will be shorter when towing, possibly considerably so. How frequently will you be doing this? How much will you actually be towing? How far will you actually be towing? If you really will be towing something big a fair distance, how frequently do you do this? Are charging stations available along your routes for doing this? (check PlugShare) If you only do this once or twice per year, so what if you have to stop for half an hour every so often?

Most people never tow trailers with their pickup trucks.
Most who do, only tow small trailers that the truck will barely notice.
Most who do, only do so for short distances once in a while.
Most who do, aren't towing big trailers in winter (which also is a range-killer).
Most who tow trailers routinely (contractors) only tow short distances. (Contractors usually do local jobs, or if they have to travel to a distant job, they stay at the job site. The contractor who did my roof is based about 10 km away. If you're driving three hours every day with a roofing trailer in tow, you're doing it wrong.)
If you really do tow a house trailer in winter across the country every day then maybe an EV isn't for you. But ... most people don't do that.

In my travels, I usually see one or two F150 Lightnings every day. They're out there.

On a somewhat related note, I have a Windsor trip tomorrow in my supposedly-agonisingly-slow-charging Chevy Bolt. In 32,000 km (in 9 months! - I do double the annual driving of the average driver) this is only the second trip that has considerably exceeded the car's range. I'm not expecting any problems.
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The hoovies garage video posted above was a very realistic ask of the truck. Aluminum trailer, and light car on top of it. Not clickbait I would say.
Similarly, not clickbait is this one. Guy tried to take a trip with his girlfriend, had plenty of range, many electric charges in his desired range, complete fail having to spend a night in a hotel and tow the truck home.

 
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Mikedezo44 said:
The hoovies garage video posted above was a very realistic ask of the truck. Aluminum trailer, and light car on top of it. Not clickbait I would say.
Similarly, not clickbait is this one. Guy tried to take a trip with his girlfriend, had plenty of range, many electric charges in his desired range, complete fail having to spend a night in a hotel and tow the truck home.

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This should probably renamed to ‘The Dangers of taking your RIVIAN’

Unproven brand, very few on the road, not sure why anyone would compare that to something from the large players.
 
nobbie48 said:
A friend is a master electrician and says the installation of a charger isn't cheap but he's a nit picker. Inspection is a PITA but he's not pre-approved with ESA. It is however a one time cost.
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Installing a Level 2 charger at home can get expensive fast... The charger itself can be 2-7 grand depending on the specific make/model and options... Install is very specific to the home/layout - a few hundred bucks if your panel is in the garage; to 10's of thousands if the panel is at the other end of a finished basement.

The real killer is the service upgrade cost - a level 2 charger pretty much requires a 200A service; and if your existing service needs upgraded, that can add up fast. Aerial isn't too bad, but if you have an underground service, and need trenching; 10k's a good starting place, and it can go up from there.

There's a whole separate discussion about the grid-level capacity - is there enough generation (mostly yes), enough transmission (mostly yes), and local distribution (varies widely) - as well; but that's a larger issue.
 
OntFF said:
Installing a Level 2 charger at home can get expensive fast... The charger itself can be 2-7 grand depending on the specific make/model and options... Install is very specific to the home/layout - a few hundred bucks if your panel is in the garage; to 10's of thousands if the panel is at the other end of a finished basement.

The real killer is the service upgrade cost - a level 2 charger pretty much requires a 200A service; and if your existing service needs upgraded, that can add up fast. Aerial isn't too bad, but if you have an underground service, and need trenching; 10k's a good starting place, and it can go up from there.

There's a whole separate discussion about the grid-level capacity - is there enough generation (mostly yes), enough transmission (mostly yes), and local distribution (varies widely) - as well; but that's a larger issue.
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What level 2 charger is 7K? And why? That's crazy and ruins the economics. For most people, being able to add 200 km in 12 hours is probably sufficient 99% of the time. At 5 km/kwh (pretty heavy foot), even a 7 kw charger (smallest of the level 2's and probably ok on a 100A service if you have gas heat) adds ~400 km in 12 hours. Now, if you have the stupid hummer and drive it like you stole it, things would be different but that is an exceedingly small percentage of people.
 
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