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Relax said:
You're missing the point, being that Yamaha doesn't sell software as a "package" like KTM, but they do, albeit to a lesser extent.
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Only point I was making was to ensure, based in cost, the comparison is apples to apples. Your getting all the aides on the yamaha at the quoted cost. Ktm dealer could be saying the package is the same. But leaving out that there is cost to get all the aides that the yamaha has at the base price. Just noting it's something to be aware of.

And as per other comments. Going to the sp would be suspension upgrades. But to go there would be to compare the Duke R to the SP.

I beleive they only just started doing this. Maybe 2021?
 
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One other point that may no longer be the case with the new mt09 would be the fuel range. The range on the older mt09 was in the low 200's per tank. My 790 is in the mid 300's. This is mixed condition spirited riding. Babying it on the highway I've done 400km a few times.

Not a huge problem except when doing day trips. Both are significantly less range than a sport tourer or adv anyways.
 
Aens said:
One other point that may no longer be the case with the new mt09 would be the fuel range. The range on the older mt09 was in the low 200's per tank. My 790 is in the mid 300's. This is mixed condition spirited riding. Babying it on the highway I've done 400km a few times.

Not a huge problem except when doing day trips. Both are significantly less range than a sport tourer or adv anyways.
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I did see the fuel economy favours the 890 in reviews but both make do with a 14L tank so I wasn’t too concerned.
Who doesn’t love stopping to fill up …🤷‍♂️
 
Aens said:
One other point that may no longer be the case with the new mt09 would be the fuel range. The range on the older mt09 was in the low 200's per tank. My 790 is in the mid 300's. This is mixed condition spirited riding. Babying it on the highway I've done 400km a few times.

Not a huge problem except when doing day trips. Both are significantly less range than a sport tourer or adv anyways.
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Ooof. Not that a naked bike is the preferred weapon for touring but low 200's is pretty bad and gets annoying quickly. I had a honda once that required gas often and it was brutal. Passed the same RV multiple times across the top of algonquin. They would pass me every time I stopped for gas.
 
Aens said:
One other point that may no longer be the case with the new mt09 would be the fuel range. The range on the older mt09 was in the low 200's per tank. My 790 is in the mid 300's. This is mixed condition spirited riding. Babying it on the highway I've done 400km a few times.

Not a huge problem except when doing day trips. Both are significantly less range than a sport tourer or adv anyways.
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Well, you can hear it from the owner of 2021 MT-09 SP here :)

In Mode1 (most aggressive) in mixed mode (sideroads/highway) I routinely have 240-260km on the tank with about 3-4l to spare which means if I do really push it on reserve I can make it over 300km. And I am NOT the slowest rider of the bunch LOL
The only time when I had mileage under 200km till reserve is when I was in a "spirited" group ride blast from TO to Hamilton all on highway, but you can probably imagine it was sitting at the redline for the most part :)

so rumors about 200km range for the latest MT-09 are a bit exaggerated (I think by reviewers who wants to show they are fast/hooligans more when they really are).

I also found that with full Yoshi and ICU remap my bike is noticeably faster (I asked for more aggressive Mode1 mapping, and more linear Mode2) AND improved fuel economy
 
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Relax said:
That's really no different than Yamaha charging an extra $2800 to unlock cruise control by forcing you into the SP "package". At least with KTM you have the option of starting off without it if you don't have the budget and adding later without changing bikes.
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eh. i think there is a difference. its not just cruise control for $2,800 so let's be fair about that. and the SP has been exceptionally well reviewed, (price point value aside) as one of the best nakeds money can buy.

ktm on the other hand..i recall @bigpoppa griping about having to pay extra to unlock features that were ALREADY installed on his super duke (auto blipper, etc). i'd be pretty cheesed walking up to a bike with an auto blipper on it that did nothing unless i handed over more money.
 
Evoex said:
eh. i think there is a difference. its not just cruise control for $2,800 so let's be fair about that. and the SP has been exceptionally well reviewed, (price point value aside) as one of the best nakeds money can buy.

ktm on the other hand..i recall @bigpoppa griping about having to pay extra to unlock features that were ALREADY installed on his super duke (auto blipper, etc). i'd be pretty cheesed walking up to a bike with an auto blipper on it that did nothing unless i handed over more money.
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Here is hoping that unlocking features in packages isn't something that other manufacturers follow in the future.
 
01rc51 said:
Here is hoping that unlocking features in packages isn't something that other manufacturers follow in the future.
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agreed. my BMW had 5 million packages, but if i didn't pay for them i got a base model...im fine with that because the price reflects the hardware installed.
 
01rc51 said:
Here is hoping that unlocking features in packages isn't something that other manufacturers follow in the future.
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To be honest MT-09's display looks so basic and old style so I think Yamaha wouldn't be able to "lock/unlock" anything in it even if they wanted to LOL . I do love advanced displays on KTM for sure. I think with Gauges replaced with full blown Tablets every manufacturer would try to make money one way or another. I think something like CarPlay availability - game changer to have your phone in your pocket projected on full size bike display - probably eventually would be a paid option for all brands,,, hope I am wrong...
 
Sochi said:
To be honest MT-09's display looks so basic and old style so I think Yamaha wouldn't be able to "lock/unlock" anything in it even if they wanted to LOL . I do love advanced displays on KTM for sure. I think with Gauges replaced with full blown Tablets every manufacturer would try to make money one way or another. I think something like CarPlay availability - game changer to have your phone in your pocket projected on full size bike display - probably eventually would be a paid option for all brands,,, hope I am wrong...
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Doesn't the SP get the R1 display?
 
Evoex said:
Doesn't the SP get the R1 display?
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so I heard, I'd say if it is - it should be of 2005's R1 display to me (it's my first Yamaha, don't know other models) :) it's so small and basic for my old eyes (nothing is perfect right?). At least it's a color display so I can see Red color flashing when I hit the limiter haha
 
With the 790 did you have to pay for the quick shifter and suite of electronic goodies?

Confirmed with the dealer 890 needs a tech/track pack to the tune of $900 for wheelie control, quick shifter, full electronic suite of features that while I haven’t had on previous bikes seem odd to pay for on a bike when it’s competition offers it standard
 
Relax said:
But software has value too, just ask any developer.
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People get too hung up on this stuff imo. They think they are paying for the hardware and should get the software for free. The other way to look at is is they are giving you the hardware for free and hoping you buy the software to let you use it. It would be interesting to see what happened if you removed/damaged the hardware. It would really suck if you were required to replace damaged sensors that the bike didn't use (like printers refusing to print black if any colour is out). I would have problem with that.
 
Aens said:
It's caused some mid trip refueling challenges a few times before I started pre-planning 200km fuel stops. Not an issue for the urban rider at all.
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you had me until Apache Burgers 🤮

Well, if the previous post is true and the MT09 can get 230ish kms on highway/mixed riding then that puts it in super bike territory. But concur, if you`re planning to go on adventures there are probably better bikes to be had, mileage wise.
 
My XSR900 usually goes to about 200km or a little more before it switches to the F trip meter, and then my best estimate is about 50 km until dry after that. The F trip meter counts up from zero so you can see how much you're pushing your luck.

The F trip meter is okay, but the gas gauge is mostly useless. It will read full bars until it hits 125km (half of the total range), then plummets like there's a hole in the tank. It's definitely not a touring bike.
 
Evoex said:
you had me until Apache Burgers 🤮

Well, if the previous post is true and the MT09 can get 230ish kms on highway/mixed riding then that puts it in super bike territory. But concur, if you`re planning to go on adventures there are probably better bikes to be had, mileage wise.
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That was my last time going there, and it had been a while before then. RIP.

That's a photo tag picture anyways. It's either that or a temple in Brampton or license plate shots from the Dundas & 403 Tims. I was more trying to show the specific MT-09 I'm comparing to. It's not a hypothetical side by side but a buddy's experiences next to me.

He was getting similiar fill up ranges to a 2017 Tuono. The MT-09 would be asking for fuel by the time we got to the gas station for the Tuono.

Vontwowheels said:
With the 790 did you have to pay for the quick shifter and suite of electronic goodies?

Confirmed with the dealer 890 needs a tech/track pack to the tune of $900 for wheelie control, quick shifter, full electronic suite of features that while I haven’t had on previous bikes seem odd to pay for on a bike when it’s competition offers it standard
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I have a 2019, from the initial batch into Canada. I did not have to pay anything extra. In the menus, I even have supermoto mode but I did not pay for the dongle. I haven't tested its function, but it lets me turn it on. Bought brand new from GP Bikes and I paid MSRP.

I didn't come from a dirt bike background so sliding the rear on the street is still a brown pants experience.

I'd pay for the quick shifter. For my uses, I'd pay for the cruise control. I wouldn't pay for supermoto (see above) nor would I pay for track mode. It doesn't need a rider mode preset just for TC imo. I'm fine with the pre-set throttle response of rain, street, sport with just a single defined TC mode.
 
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GreyGhost said:
People get too hung up on this stuff imo. They think they are paying for the hardware and should get the software for free. The other way to look at is is they are giving you the hardware for free and hoping you buy the software to let you use it. It would be interesting to see what happened if you removed/damaged the hardware. It would really suck if you were required to replace damaged sensors that the bike didn't use (like printers refusing to print black if any colour is out). I would have problem with that.
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Bizarre to me buying a hooligan bike for the street and wanting all these electronic goodies. Cruise control I understand would be nice, but a $10 throttle rocker does the job, maybe I'm old fashioned or just old lol.
 
Jayv said:
Bizarre to me buying a hooligan bike for the street and wanting all these electronic goodies. Cruise control I understand would be nice, but a $10 throttle rocker does the job, maybe I'm old fashioned or just old lol.
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This is where KTM seems to be getting you, buy a hooligan bike, then need a package to turn off wheelie control.
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