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Duke 890 or MT09

Vontwowheels

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I’ve talked about getting a new bike for awhile, finally sold my CBR650F so I need to get a new bike.
Want a naked and a bit more power after 5 years,
Current top contenders are Duke 890 (non R dealer near me has a 2022) and 2022 mt09.

Looking for experience as spec wise they’re honestly close.
Price KTM wins by $1000 but that’s not enough to be a deal breaker.
Ktm has 2 year warranty, Mt09 1 year but will I need it?
 
Checked insurance on both? That could easily be 1000 a year difference (not saying it is, just saying insurance for similar bikes is often not similar).

I'm not too concerned with an extra year of warranty. Most warranty issues should really shake out quickly.
 
Checked insurance on both? That could easily be 1000 a year difference (not saying it is, just saying insurance for similar bikes is often not similar).

I'm not too concerned with an extra year of warranty. Most warranty issues should really shake out quickly.
Waiting for the email back from the broker, their quick quote had them within $10 of each other in favour of the Yamaha
 
Mt09 is all engine. I would shop for a 890r instead of the regular. You can probably get a lightly used for same price if not cheaper.
 
i'm biased, if you want ear to ear grins all day then go for the MT09. One of the best engines ever made.

letdown on this model is the suspension (rear), i'd try to find an SP model or be prepared to replace the suspension yourself if you also find it a letdown.
 
Duke R and SP are a tad outside the planned budget, interest rates are a factor there
Plan to put finance the minimum with either brand and KTM new is 1.99%
Yamaha is 6.49 for the same term
Used would be 10% pretty easy

But so far 50/50 from you guys 🤨
 
If I don't remember wrong the electronics in the KTM are more updated than Yamaha's offering.

Personally, I don't like the aesthetics of the new MTs, and I have a soft spot for the looks of the KTM.
 
I had the same dilemma - owner of MT09 SP now and glad I made this choice. Sound of the triple with Yoshi exhaust and full tune what uncovers extra power with more aggressive custom mode 1 makes this bike PERFECT (IMHO) :)

BTW all this talk about "more aggressive position" on duke - on MT09 you can move handlebar forward and pegs up-back (factory option built-in design) and voila - you have an "aggressive" Yamaha (if you think you'd need an extra clearance not too scratch your pegs on track) :)

P.S. Absolutely no need to worry about extra warranty on Yami - this bike is bulletproof and piece of art what would last. But i found quite a few pictures of leaking new Dukes on forums so def get yourself all the warranty you can get for the Orange.
 
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I had the same dilemma - owner of MT09 SP now and glad I made this choice. Sound of the triple with Yoshi exhaust and full tune what uncovers extra power with more aggressive custom mode 1 makes this bike PERFECT (IMHO) :)

BTW all this talk about "more aggressive position" on duke - on MT09 you can move handlebar forward and pegs up-back (factory option built-in design) and voila - you have an "aggressive" Yamaha (if you think you'd need an extra clearance not too scratch your pegs on track) :)

P.S. Absolutely no need to worry about extra warranty on Yami - this bike is bulletproof and piece of art what would last. But i found quite a few pictures of leaking new Dukes on forums so def get yourself all the warranty you can get for the Orange.
Adjustable handlebars and foot pegs from factory or as accessories? I know the Duke advertises handlebars but hadn’t seen it for the MT-09
Or is it SP specific?

I won’t argue the triple sounds better then the twin
 
Adjustable handlebars and foot pegs from factory or as accessories? I know the Duke advertises handlebars but hadn’t seen it for the MT-09
Or is it SP specific?

I won’t argue the triple sounds better then the twin

From factory built-in. For handlebars: you flip holders 180 degrees and it puts handlebar forward, for pegs - there are a second set of predrilled holes to move pegs up and back. I tried both - it's def makes riding position LESS relaxed/more forward - found it easier to get lower in the corners BUT makes knees more bent, so I left handlebar forward but put pegs back to normal position for street riding. I will def move them back when I take this bike to the track.
 
I'd go for the Yamaha, I read the new MT09 is a lot better sorted out this time and the SP is really just extra.
SP seems like a lot to pay for a middleweight not too far off from upgrading to an MT 10 and that's a whole different level.
 
I have a 790 Duke so its very similiar to the non R 890. I love it as a daily and a weekend bike. I've ridden a few of the older model MT-09/FZ-09 and while they definitely have more power than the Duke, the Duke is a much more exciting bike even when doing mundane things. 44,000km on it and it's been all over Ontario, Pennsylvania and Deal's Gap.

As for reliability concerns, yes, there are a few worry spots but its not the end of the world if you have any mechanical inclination. Nothing that is an immediate show stopper that would make you afraid to take it out of the garage.

The engine characteristic is a huge amount of mid range grunt and with the changes to the 890, decent rpm limit. It is nimble, sharp but forgiving with Ontario road conditions. The riding position is very relaxed but with the very narrow tank, you have a ton of space on the bike to move around. I got the powerparts Ergo seat and its a very good compromise between comfort and grip. It's literally the same profile as the stock seat but gel filled. Leathers grip to it well.

Electronics are excellent. The TC has saved me a few times. Lets say that doing a twisty in a canyon in Amish country Pennsylvania I found out there's literally horse sh on the apex. An almost high side from a rock on the road at Devil's Triangle where only my left hand was touching the bike at one point, saw the bike pick itself up from lean so I landed almost on the seat just in time to tip in on the next bend. Yeah, all common sense avoidable but I did say the TC saved me!

Otherwise, the TC doesn't get in the way. Sure, the anti-wheelie fights with the throttle when accelerating from stop but I think its more about grabbing more than a wrist full in 2nd gear than it is the anti-wheelie being too aggressive. You can always turn it off too.

The up and down quick shifter is very nice and smooth. A little game I like to play is no hands to the red. From normal traffic speed, hands on hips, using just the auto blip and the rear brake, come as close to a full stop in first gear without stalling. The gearing is pretty short, so you'll always have the opportunity to bang through the gears.

For aftermarket, I couldn't tell you. I have mine relatively stock as its my do everything bike but not my track bike. I'm also a firm believer of seen not heard when it comes to annoucing my presence. This is not a loud pipes comment but an unwanted attention statement. It's nice to have a few roads in Toronto where you can keep your tire profile from being squared off.

With the stock pegs and bar, you can stand up like its an ADV bike if you aren't too tall. You can tuck on the tank no problem. It's not rear-sets but I don't personally see the Duke as a track bike where they are needed.

Any other questions about the 790?

Adrian @ AceMoto with it on the dyno. Another of it in the wild after a run.
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Any other questions about the 790?
Honestly that was the more explanation than I expected!
I think you’ve covered everything
I’m very mechanically inclined so never that worried about working on it myself, been an auto mechanic at dealers for 10+ years.
The Duke is looking better as we go, yammy dealer quoted me without tax apparently while the KTM dealer was all in, Dukes looking $2000 cheaper which honestly not a deal breaker but not insignificant either.
 
I've been in the same boat with regards to considering getting back into the 2wheeled game and looking at both these bikes as a consideration. (890r and mt09 sp) One thing to look into is the pricing on the Duke and make sure your considering apples to apples. With the newer models it looks like to get antiwheelie off and the quickshifter, for examples, you have to purchase extra "packages" to unlock the software. Which yamaha doesn't do.

Just something you may want to confirm/look into with the comparison/pricing.
 
I've been in the same boat with regards to considering getting back into the 2wheeled game and looking at both these bikes as a consideration. (890r and mt09 sp) One thing to look into is the pricing on the Duke and make sure your considering apples to apples. With the newer models it looks like to get antiwheelie off and the quickshifter, for examples, you have to purchase extra "packages" to unlock the software. Which yamaha doesn't do.

Just something you may want to confirm/look into with the comparison/pricing.

That's really no different than Yamaha charging an extra $2800 to unlock cruise control by forcing you into the SP "package". At least with KTM you have the option of starting off without it if you don't have the budget and adding later without changing bikes.
 
That's really no different than Yamaha charging an extra $2800 to unlock cruise control by forcing you into the SP "package". At least with KTM you have the option of starting off without it if you don't have the budget and adding later without changing bikes.

I'd disagree here.

MT-09 comes with ALL riding electronics what counts available: 6axis IMU TC, All riding modes, Wheelie control, slide control, adaptive braking (minus cruse control - who needs it on naked bike anyway?). you compare it to SP and it has to be compared to Duke R where the main difference is SUSPENSION.

Yes, you probably pay a bit more but you know for sure you pay for quality. At this stage I have zero inclinations (or time) tinkering with my bike's "small" manufacturers' issues, so for me quality worth extra, but for advanced mechanic - KTM offers savings = to each their own :)
 
I'd disagree here.

MT-09 comes with ALL riding electronics what counts available: 6axis IMU TC, All riding modes, Wheelie control, slide control, adaptive braking (minus cruse control - who needs it on naked bike anyway?). you compare it to SP and it has to be compared to Duke R where the main difference is SUSPENSION.

Yes, you probably pay a bit more but you know for sure you pay for quality. At this stage I have zero inclinations (or time) tinkering with my bike's "small" manufacturers' issues, so for me quality worth extra, but for advanced mechanic - KTM offers savings = to each their own :)

You're missing the point, being that Yamaha doesn't sell software as a "package" like KTM, but they do, albeit to a lesser extent.
 

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