DOGE.CAN, would this be an effective political promise?

How would Canadians react to a DOGE-CAN election promise?

  • Yes - they’re fed up with Canadian gov waste

    Votes: 10 71.4%

  • Neutral - think is just a gimmick

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • No - worried about personal impact

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    14
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Mad Mike

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Would Canadians support a gov department that was charged with exposing and transparently reporting waste, patronage spending, and low value-for-money programs to the public?

Could something like that change the tone of the election, or would it be dismissed by Canadians as a gimmick?
 
TwistedKestrel said:
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Doge approach could draw attention to a larger theme of waste and inefficiency (like $54M spent on ArriveCAN, for instance), while the Auditor General’s office could provide the hard evidence to back up those claims.

Doge could help simplify and humanize the message, making it memorable, while Auditor General could give the legitimacy and detail to show govt is serious about rooting out waste and inefficiency.

The key would be using the Doge approach to get voters engaged and excited, but also having the Auditor General’s findings as the foundation to back up the claims. This way, it’s not just a gimmick but a serious, evidence-based campaign that gives direction to politicians and inform Canadians.
 
MacDoc said:
I think using the term Doge would not fly well.
I've long campaigned to have the Auditors General on all levels of governance armed with teeth to enforce their findings.
Easier step than yet another bureaucracy.
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The hard part for Auditors General reports is they are very bureaucratic, the investigated parties have forewarning, they aren’t generally shining light broadly, and their reports go to legislatures and are not easily understood by the public. Govt has the reports first which means a spun rationalization accompanies the public release of reports.

Doge approach is simpler. Storm in, investigate quickly, share details either the public immediately.
 
I think future historians will find the wrecking-ball approach currently in progress in the USA to be extremely regrettable. Bear in mind that a couple days ago they fired a whole department of energy branch that they thought they didn't need, then discovered that those were all the experts in charge of looking after maintenance of nuclear weapons. There will be A LOT more where that came from.

Could the Auditor General use more teeth ... absolutely.
 
Mad Mike said:
Would Canadians support a gov department that was charged with exposing and transparently reporting waste, patronage spending, and low value-for-money programs to the public?

Could something like that change the tone of the election, or would it be dismissed by Canadians as a gimmick?
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I would love it. But given the political climate…there’s almost zero chance of it being a position without bias.

One would literally have to set up a department without any interference from the political parties…otherwise there’s always a master that points the investigation results one way or another depending on political winds at the time.

Auditor has on multiple occasions poo poo’d on Doug over the years…he just shrugs it off and tells her to stay in her lane.

Waste of a role and waste of our money.

EDIT: talk about good timing…PCs want the power to fire the auditor general in Nova Scotia…

 
jc100 said:
When you get work done on a house the demolition is always quicker than the build and the building takes more skill.

I think this is all dogeshit. An excuse for one particular ideology to rip apart anything they don’t like for example-help to brown people.
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Also the tearing apart they are highly publicizing. I haven't heard any discussion of what happens to the "savings". I suspect a trivial amount at best will benefit the average citizen. I suspect the vast majority will be redistributed to billionaires or just straight up grifted.
 
GreyGhost said:
Also the tearing apart they are highly publicizing. I haven't heard any discussion of what happens to the "savings". I suspect a trivial amount at best will benefit the average citizen. I suspect the vast majority will be redistributed to billionaires or just straight up grifted.
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The US is running a $2T deficit, the saved money isn't going to another cause but is lowering the overall interest paid by the country because its money they don't have to borrow. A penny saved is a penny earned.
 
GreyGhost said:
Also the tearing apart they are highly publicizing. I haven't heard any discussion of what happens to the "savings". I suspect a trivial amount at best will benefit the average citizen. I suspect the vast majority will be redistributed to billionaires or just straight up grifted.
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Already happened. Big tax breaks.
 
Mad Mike said:
The hard part for Auditors General reports is they are very bureaucratic, the investigated parties have forewarning, they aren’t generally shining light broadly, and their reports go to legislatures and are not easily understood by the public. Govt has the reports first which means a spun rationalization accompanies the public release of reports.

Doge approach is simpler. Storm in, investigate quickly, share details either the public immediately.
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Just adopt this last part for all parts of gov, no need to create another layer of bureaucracy. It won't happen though, because the reports and bureaucracy work to protect themselves and leaves the public clueless, no one will go through a 500 page document to figure out if they really did anything or not.
 
Could work for the Liberals, but not the Conservatives. You’d eventually end up with another group only telling you how wisely your dollars are being spent.
Conservatives, especially Pee Pee would go from being called Trump lite to Trump heavy. We already have the taxpayers federation and a few other external organizations that point out the waste for free.
 
Baggsy said:
Could work for the Liberals, but not the Conservatives. You’d eventually end up with another group only telling you how wisely your dollars are being spent.
Conservatives, especially Pee Pee would go from being called Trump lite to Trump heavy. We already have the taxpayers federation and a few other external organizations that point out the waste for free.
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The Taxpayer Federation does that, however they do not have the necessary access to find waste, nor do they have the authority to transparently report to the public.

I like the DOGE side (doge.gov). It in its early stages, but it shows the procurement orders they cancelled and details things like savings gained by cancelling leases on surplus facilities.
 
Let's not kid ourselves. DOGE may make some mistakes, but they are finding PLENTY to be concerned about. There are tens of millions of people receiving social assistance that haven't been alive for years (sometimes many years), according to them. People are just funnelling tax dollars to themselves - this MUST be stopped or people paying taxes can be assured that their money is just taken petulantly - it will not help them in anyway, just be stolen.

That alone makes it worth doing.
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