Do we need an official gun thread?

[rmemedic]

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Dangerous words...

I agree that PROVE can be overkill they way they push it, but they are simply trying to develop a pattern that you follow by instinct.

My instinctive pattern is control of my weapon. Very, very rare will you see me ever sling my weapon over my shoulder. It is always in my hands and I always know where that barrel is, regardless if it's loaded or not. That's just part of how I was raised.
Considering the fact that I've handled weapons since I was a kid, and spent basically a year with a weapon in my hands every single day, 8 months of that with a round in the chamber. I've never had a round go off when I wasn't expecting it to, and I've never had an obstruction. So I think I'm pretty safe with how I do things and will continue to do it that way.

Regardless of how you start a discourse, there's nothing wrong with getting people talking about "safety issues". Even if you don't learn anything ( and often, you do), it's still mildly entertaining, to read all the comments and opinions, just to see where people stand.
To those gentlemen that are fearful of looking down the business end of a firearm - if you've executed the P. R. O. V. correctly, when you get to the E. - you will be looking down an empty tube. If you're not, then you'd certainly want to know about it, before you feed a live round into the chamber.

No doubt it's good that safety comes up.
With the way I check and clear my weapons, there is no chance that I will accidentally leave a round in the chamber, but still I never point the muzzle at what I wouldn't want to get shot... That includes my head. I'm pretty confident in my weapons handling and my ability but I don't leave things to chance.

 

[johnp]

^^ totally agree with never looking down the barrel of an unloaded gun. It's same as never pointing an unloaded gun.

It's getting the discipline right. That way you don't have to ask yourself if the gun is loaded or not - you just never ever do it.

Lots of people get shot with unloaded guns.

 

[RockerGuy]

^^ totally agree with never looking down the barrel of an unloaded gun. It's same as never pointing an unloaded gun.

It's getting the discipline right. That way you don't have to ask yourself if the gun is loaded or not - you just never ever do it.

Lots of people get shot with unloaded guns.

For some ppl if the action is open, then they can point it anywhere they like. Including their heads

 

[fastar1]

Lots of people get shot with unloaded guns.

Which is why an ammunition ban would never work.

ba-dom - tish!

 

[mmmnaked]

That way you don't have to ask yourself if the gun is loaded or not - you just never ever do it.

Lots of people get shot with unloaded guns.

:lol:

If you're having to second guess yourself on whether a firearm in your possession is loaded, you're doing it wrong.


Secondly, I'm not taking apart my guns just to do a quick check of the condition of my bore (does it need cleaning?). You guys are hilarious. Stick a light in the chamber, take a quick peek down the muzzle, and away I go.

Rmedic you're telling us about your lifetime of experience and confidence in guns, yet you don't trust yourself to look down the barrel of an empty gun..... yeah that sounds right.. (??)

There's a difference between pointing an empty gun at someone who isn't sure that the gun is empty, and pointing an empty firearm at yourself. If Im looking down the barrel of my gun, it's in my control and I know beyond any doubt that the firearm is unloaded. At that point its no more a dangerous object than a fork, or a rock, or a toothbrush. People who hold a mystical, fearsome respect for firearms (especially unloaded ones) can't be that comfortable with them.

 

[rmemedic]

:lol:

If you're having to second guess yourself on whether a firearm in your possession is loaded, you're doing it wrong.


Secondly, I'm not taking apart my guns just to do a quick check of the condition of my bore (does it need cleaning?). You guys are hilarious. Stick a light in the chamber, take a quick peek down the muzzle, and away I go.

Rmedic you're telling us about your lifetime of experience and confidence in guns, yet you don't trust yourself to look down the barrel of an empty gun..... yeah that sounds right.. (??)

There's a difference between pointing an empty gun at someone who isn't sure that the gun is empty, and pointing an empty firearm at yourself. If Im looking down the barrel of my gun, it's in my control and I know beyond any doubt that the firearm is unloaded. At that point its no more a dangerous object than a fork, or a rock, or a toothbrush. People who hold a mystical, fearsome respect for firearms (especially unloaded ones) can't be that comfortable with them.

It gives me the creeps to do it. I'm 100% sure my gun is un-loaded when I clear it. I am very comfortable with my weapons. You know when I check my barrel? When I'm done for the day and take it apart I will clean it and take it apart. And before I use it again, I give them a quick check just to double check I did everything right. Sort of like checking my oil in the MX bike before a moto even though I checked it earlier in the day. That's just the way I am.

If I am in the field and I think I might have gotten something in there, I obviously unload the gun, open the chamber and use a light to check.

It literally takes me 20 seconds to get the barrel off my shotgun, and just as much time to put it back on. My rifle at work, it's just one pin clicks out and I can look down the barrel. Rifles just slide the bolt out and you can check. It's seriously just that easy.

When I clear my weapons, they get cleared and I fire the action off in a safe direction. I KNOW for 100% certainty that they can not possibly go off, but still this is the way I am. I am also that guy that checks his pocket a time or two for my keys before I close my locked door, or make sure my phone or wallet is in my pants before I leave a place that I have had them out. A bit anal I guess, but I've never lost my wallet, never locked myself out, and I'll never have an accident with a weapon.

I was just about shot with a "safe" weapon 2 years ago. It was being cleaned by someone else, he went to check the action with the barrel pointed at me and it went off, about 8 feet away from me. The bullet hole was in the wood directly below me in the bench I was sitting on. So, I don't trust ANYONE with a weapon pointed at me.

 

[nobbie48]

Or a third party that might misunderstand.

 

[johnp]

It gives me the creeps to do it. I'm 100% sure my gun is un-loaded when I clear it. ...... I KNOW for 100% certainty that they can not possibly go off, but still this is the way I am. I am also that guy that checks his pocket a time or two for my keys before I close my locked door, or make sure my phone or wallet is in my pants before I leave a place that I have had them out. ..................

It just give me the creeps too.

<rmemedic> is less likely than most to make the mistake, and he still won't look down the barrel. Exactly the kind of guy you want walking behind you with a loaded gun.

 

[mmmnaked]

My most used 12ga has a barrel clamp so taking it apart requires an allen key. I also dont clean it after every shoot... but only when necessary. The easiest way to know is a quick glance down the tube with a light in the chamber.

I see no reason to be creeped out about it... ammunition doesnt form out of thin air.

 

[Red_Liner740]

I just love how in ACTS and PROVE they tell you, you should ALWAYS treat a firearm as if its loaded...and then proceed to tell you to look down the barrel..

Go to the range, do your shooting next to everyone else, then ACTS and PROVE with looking down the barrel....everyone will look at you like you grew a second head...

btw, i do look down my barrel when i'm cleaning it....but i wont verify my barrel every single god damn time i pick my or put down my firearms.

 

[Paul1000RR]

I just love how in ACTS and PROVE they tell you, you should ALWAYS treat a firearm as if its loaded...and then proceed to tell you to look down the barrel..

Go to the range, do your shooting next to everyone else, then ACTS and PROVE with looking down the barrel....everyone will look at you like you grew a second head...

btw, i do look down my barrel when i'm cleaning it....but i wont verify my barrel every single god damn time i pick my or put down my firearms.

so true

 

[rmemedic]

I'm sure this guy thought he action was clear too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nLYZdk0Jbs

 

[tricky]

I'm sure this guy thought he action was clear too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nLYZdk0Jbs

That man is an absolute idiot, and almost fell victim to pure natural selection.

I understand the aversion to pointing the barrel at your face, sure. The first time I saw an instructor doing it, I was speechless (didn't know about PROVE at that point). Do what you gotta do... I respect your gun safety track record for sure

But don't associate me with that stupid **** in the video just because I follow PROVE

 

[ABadjusterrider_5]

I'm with RMEmedic on this one. I have issues looking down the business end of a rifle.

 

[RockerGuy]

 

[mmmnaked]

I just love how in ACTS and PROVE they tell you, you should ALWAYS treat a firearm as if its loaded...and then proceed to tell you to look down the barrel..

Go to the range, do your shooting next to everyone else, then ACTS and PROVE with looking down the barrel....everyone will look at you like you grew a second head...

btw, i do look down my barrel when i'm cleaning it....but i wont verify my barrel every single god damn time i pick my or put down my firearms.

Agreed fully.

I only look down the tube if I suspect something wrong, or to check it periodically for cleaning (without disassembly)

I have no mystical fear of an unloaded firearm.

 

[promac]

I just love how in ACTS and PROVE they tell you, you should ALWAYS treat a firearm as if its loaded...and then proceed to tell you to look down the barrel..

Go to the range, do your shooting next to everyone else, then ACTS and PROVE with looking down the barrel....everyone will look at you like you grew a second head...

btw, i do look down my barrel when i'm cleaning it....but i wont verify my barrel every single god damn time i pick my or put down my firearms.

+1. I normally examine the chamber by looking & feeling with my pinky finger, instead of examining the bore. When I'm acting as range officer, I'm not going to examine the bore of every gun on the line.

As far as having a gun thread goes, it's fine in the off-topic section. If you want to learn about guns, shooting sports, laws & the culture, CGN is a great forum - don't let "Canadian Gun Nutz" scare you off. Contrary to the name, members just have a healthy passion for shooting sports - no different than if this site was called "GTA Motorcycle Nutz". Like this forum, seasoned CGN members can get a little impatient with noobs (same issues here). Members would get a little irritated if some noob suggested banning & confiscating all motorcycles over 125cc and/or that "look" like racing motorcycles, because that's what they were designed for, some idiot drove too fast & died, etc - blaming the motorcycle instead of the offending person & punishing everyone for the misdeeds of the very few. If it happens with guns, it will set a precedent for the confiscation of other property.

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