Dems Da Brakes?

[caboose56]

I was in a jam and had to switch from the Ferodo XRAC to DP RDP pads a few rounds ago. So far I'm not really happy with the RDPs, ill use them at the last round but this winter I will be doing an R6 caliper swap and going back to the XRAC pads.

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[dricked]

Don't you have calipers on your bike already? I wasn't overly impressed with the R1/R6 caliper that I tried this weekend, even with the XRAC pads the initial power just wasn't there.

I was going to come say hello on saturday but by the time I finished the endurance race and got packed up it was late and I figured you had left already.

 

[Shaman]

This year I went from OEM to EBC HH on my SV650. The EBC's have better bite once their warmed up, but overall braking power seems about the same or maybe slightly better than OEM. Possibly not worth the extra $'s

Another satisifed EBC user. I had the same issue and severely disliked having the things go from bland and gutless to torquing the rear wheel off the pavement suddenly when they got some heat in them. Teh sux.

 

[FriendlyFoe]

Why would anyone voluntarily run a HH compound at the track when race pads are readily available? I didn't order race pads in time for round 5 and ended up having to use the galfer HH pads that were already on there and it was awful. They have no bite and are not meant to be run at the limit, just a few laps of deep braking and I was having to back off. Terrifying feeling going into the carousel wondering how much grip the pads are going to have.

 

[Fiery254]

Why would anyone voluntarily run a HH compound at the track when race pads are readily available? I didn't order race pads in time for round 5 and ended up having to use the galfer HH pads that were already on there and it was awful. They have no bite and are not meant to be run at the limit, just a few laps of deep braking and I was having to back off. Terrifying feeling going into the carousel wondering how much grip the pads are going to have.

Maybe you need to be a smoother rider. My EBC HHs have allowed me to trail brake deep into Temptation without a care in the world. And my lap times are coming down. Now I don't race so my opinion is worthless next to yours but do you have to ask such confrontational and asinine questions?

 

[FriendlyFoe]

It has nothing to do with being able to trail brake, you're only using a fraction of your braking force while trail braking, it has to do with bite and stopping power. Race pads let you go deeper, brake harder and let you get closer to that "wait until you see god, and then brake" marker. You should try them sometime, they give you the ability to traumatize your brain and what it thinks is possible.

 

[Fiery254]

It has nothing to do with being able to trail brake, you're only using a fraction of your braking force while trail braking, it has to do with bite and stopping power. Race pads let you go deeper, brake harder and let you get closer to that "wait until you see god, and then brake" marker. You should try them sometime, they give you the ability to traumatize your brain and what it thinks is possible.

I've seen the effects of traumatized brain in others. I'll give it a pass if it's all the same to you.

 

[doozerdave]

Why would anyone voluntarily run a HH compound at the track when race pads are readily available?

Lack of education, internet misinformation? I tried them because people said they were good. I'll try something else now because other people said something else was good. I'm not afraid to try something different.

 

[Shaman]

In my experience, standard HH pads and standard OEM pads go off so bad that I'd probably crash with them, or simply have no trust in the brakes at my pace. At a lower pace (say 2:10+ on the SMP LT or 2:30+ at Calabogie LT) they might not melt, but at any higher pace they definitely will. I really don't recommend them... I've had XRACs go off, even.

That said, not all manufacturers use the same braking compound for OEM pads. Some, especially Italian manufacturers, put quite aggressive pads in stock.

 

[dricked]

If you had XRACs go off then what do you use now? They worked for me running a 1:50 at SMP LT and 1:10 pro.

 

[Shaman]

Lately, Ferodo CP211. But remember that I am usually doing more riding on them in a track day than you would at a racing event. And just as much braking... in fact, usually more as I have slower riders that I have to over-brake for sometimes.

1:50 is good, my best (timed) lap there was 1:51. I'm not a fan of the Pro and don't time myself on it because I pussyfoot through 2 every lap... although I did a 1:08 in my car years ago...

 

[doozerdave]

The EBC HH's didn't fade on me doing 1.59's on SMP LT. On the SV I don't have to brake as much as on a superbike though.

 

[FriendlyFoe]

I've seen the effects of traumatized brain in others. I'll give it a pass if it's all the same to you.

Well you're missing out then. Nothing more fun then your brain screaming to get on the brakes, waiting until your mark and then getting on them, your brain still going "were never going to make it" and then scrubbing off just barely enough speed to be at your max corner speed as your knee hits the ground.

Not saying I'm good or brave enough to take it that deep every time, but when you get it just right its a hell of a rush. Fast too

 

[Fiery254]

In my experience, standard HH pads and standard OEM pads go off so bad that I'd probably crash with them, or simply have no trust in the brakes at my pace. At a lower pace (say 2:10+ on the SMP LT or 2:30+ at Calabogie LT) they might not melt, but at any higher pace they definitely will. I really don't recommend them... I've had XRACs go off, even.

That said, not all manufacturers use the same braking compound for OEM pads. Some, especially Italian manufacturers, put quite aggressive pads in stock.

I run consistent 2.20 at Calbogie and a best of 2.17. Not lightening fast I grant you but done on EBC HH brake pads. And, before you ask, I can clock consistent times all thru a session and all thru a day.

But, as Doozerdave says above, if someone else suggests another manufacturer which may be better then I will try them. In fact I will try them at my next pad change, which will probably be February next year now. I just don't want someone who doesn't know better (and I'm not talking about you Shaman) telling me what I'm using doesnt work.

 

[FriendlyFoe]

The EBC HH's didn't fade on me doing 1.59's on SMP LT. On the SV I don't have to brake as much as on a superbike though.

I'm thinking the ebc hh is a lot better then the galfer which was similar to stock, but the ferodos are a real eye opener. Especially on something like an sv which was equipped with mere speed scrubbers. With better pads you can move your brake markers closer to the corner, and if you tried to use those same markers with a lesser pad you'd notice the difference.

 

[doozerdave]

I've gotten pretty good on the brakes since that's the only way I can pass people with my SV, but a better pad would certainly be welcomed. I'll take the options suggested here and flip a coin for next season. My EBC's are nowhere near done, but by the sounds of it, after trying better pads I'll be done with them.

 

[doozerdave]

I'm working hard today, so I started doing some research. On sv650.org one racer says the CP211's have "nothing" for the first lap or two, then once hot they're amazing. Is it true that they're "nothing" until hot? I can't imagine they'd be worse than the EBC HH's are cold.

*edit* Doesn't matter for my SV, they don't make it anymore. XRAC it is I guess. They apparently last twice as long anyway.

 

[toysareforboys]

So instead of picking up the phone and calling a shop you give them 1-2hrs to respond to an email or they loose your buisness and that's only if you can't find the product elsewhere first? ROFL!.....

Incorrect, I find the product elsewhere first, then give them a few hours to match the price, etc.

I don't own a "phone". When I try and use google voice to call people they never pick up the phone anyway (gives a funny ring or something?).

That's just how I work. Why should I waste my time on the phone when I can fire off 15 emails to all the local shops simultaneously? Give everyone a few hours to respond then order accordingly.

Who can get me a HyperPro RSC steering damper for $288 locally? Nobody.

-Jamie M.

 

[toysareforboys]

"nothing" for the first lap or two, then once hot they're amazing. Is it true that they're "nothing" until hot?

I looked up your SV650 on Vesrah's site, and they don't make any SRJL 17 (insane performance when cold) or RJL (makes EBC HH look silly when cold) pads for your bike

-Jamie M.

 

[Shaman]

I'm working hard today, so I started doing some research. On sv650.org one racer says the CP211's have "nothing" for the first lap or two, then once hot they're amazing. Is it true that they're "nothing" until hot? I can't imagine they'd be worse than the EBC HH's are cold.

My experience on two 1000cc track bikes with a lot of power (part of why I like/need good brakes!): The Ferodo XRACs just flat out worked right from the start - I did clean the rotors with a wire brush and light sandpaper when I switched over to them on my 05. They continue to work pretty well overall, but I have had them go flat on me and a couple of laps later, they came back... more than once now, typically when I either over-braked for another rider or I outbraked them for a pass. These were roughly equivalent - for me - to the Braking pads that came with the bike, but they are lasting really well, or I would have switched them out for CP211s already.

On my 08, I went with Ferodo CP211 compound since it has this uncanny ability to pick up more speed than I sometimes feel comfortable with... The first time I was out on track after again cleaning up the rotors, the brakes did feel wooden and unresponsive for a session. Next session was better. Third session out and now for two pad changes, have been exceptional - they wear quicker than the XRACs but they do *not* go off. All the competition pads that I've used will stop the bike a few times in short order, the CP211s will take hard threshold braking all day until your fluid turns into whiskey. And that's why I use them.