Dad uses Facebook to expose online predators

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turbodish said:
Prosecuting "non-crimes"? The law states that it is llegal for an adult to lure a child for the purposes of sex, or to for an adult to invite a child to sexual touching or other sexual activity, or to expose themselves to a child. Court rulings have affirmed that an adult who does so with someone they believe to be a child (but who actually turns out to be a police officer at the other end of the line) is still guilty of a crime.

Without this, the only way to prosecute these predators would be to wait until they have committed the crime against an actual child, and clearly this is not acceptable.

This has nothing to do with a vindictive ex pointing the finger of accusation at an ex-spouse with no backing evidence. This has everything to do with a pedophile outing himself through his or her own words and actions with someone they believe to be a child.
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A mistake, to have ruled this way, and a patently untrue statement, that it's not possible to prosecute without this 'tool.' As I stated, using this sort of thing to generate information to support a search order would be reasonable. If the person is a pedophile, or in possession of child pornography, then this would be found by the search. There is no need to invent a crime.

It has everything to do with the two situations, that I outlined. It points at how the system has been subverted, in a way that can and does result in innocent people paying the price. I mentioned Blackstone, but perhaps people here don't know what I meant by that. You certainly should. "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.” This is a basic tenet of our legal system, that has somehow fallen by the wayside of late.
 
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I am with Rob on this one and here's why....

You are just chillin out at your computer and some fine looking young lady adds you on facebook. You are checking out here pics and she has all the grown up lady parts. Now you guys chat and get a long well for a few weeks, days, months... whatever. And then "she" says "oh btw I am 17 hope thats ok". Now me personally I find women... actually anybody about that age seemingly to be barely capable of any kind of interesting conversation however some dumb guys out there may actually find the conversations "stimulating". In any case some people may not normally go for a 17 year old chick, but they now have a rapport with the girl and have exchanged many e-mail etc...

And I just arbitrarily picked 17... there are girls of all ages that appear to be an age that they are not. I was just giving an example. So I do think that the manufactured situation would prompt someone to do something they normally would not do.
 
jeffjones said:
The thing is alot of the time they don't start out saying they are 14 or whatever.
The BC guys said they are 18 then chat and during the chat after making sexual passes at the guys they mention they are 14.
It gets the guys thinking with the wrong head in which I agree with Rob that it might get guys to do something they usually wouldn't do.
If they came straight out saying they are underage before they start chatting and let the guy message them first then all the power to the police or vigilantes.
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Tricky topic because of the subject matter but I pretty much agree with Jeff here.

And like Rob I am not a fan of entrapment which is a poor way to try and catch criminals because it will result in them getting off. Lazy police work if you ask me. Get evidence. Get a warrant and then find the real goods to charge them with.

I also know someone who had to fight and lost a lot of money over false accusations from an EX. We as a society have gotten almost hyper sensitive to the issue almost to the point where people assume someone is a molester unless proven otherwise. When I pick up my kids from school some of their friends want to give a hug but I always decline because of the perception people have of an adult male showing any affection towards a child.

One of my favourite lines from a song 'Thou shalt always Kill" by Dan Le Sac is "Thou shalt not think any male over the age of 30 that plays with a child that is not their own is a peadophile, some people are just nice."
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I frequently feel that there has been too much of a tendency to rush to judgment, where children are concerned. For example over the years I have been introduced to two fathers who were on the sex offender registry, because ex-wives made false claims of child sexual abuse during the divorce proceedings. In both cases the falsity was eventually admitted to, in court in one case, but the registry is easy to get onto, and almost impossible to get off of.
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I do agree. I often joke that if I REALLY want to get revenge on someone, I'll call them a sex offender or put child porn on their home computer. The stigma of even an accusation, with or without merit, is brutal. Call someone a murderer, people might have some respect or fear. Call them a pedo, with or without due cause, and that is a very harmful label that's VERY hard to get out from under.

Having said that, bait-cars for car thieves is ok for me. If you see a bike and it's not yours, it's not OK to take it no matter what. If you didn't buy it, you don't own it. If you know the kid is 12 and you're picking her up in your car, you're done. Sorry, but ease isn't an excuse..
 
awesome, i love the the two super hero guys, that was great...as for people taking it into their own hands, well, sometimes people make mistakes, and that includes the popo, and the wrong people get accused, internet justice can be brutal, i hope this guys is highly intelligent and covers all the bases before he exposes people...then there will be the copy cats and vigilantes...the police simply don't have the numbers nor the skill set to deal with the the online predators...
 
turbodish said:
Without this, the only way to prosecute these predators would be to wait until they have committed the crime against an actual child, and clearly this is not acceptable.
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Bullturd. Once again you ignore reality to promote your twisted agenda. The FBI, CIA, NSA, and CSIS have and use the technology to monitor any possible transmissions they see fit anyone could possibly make from their computer with or without a court order. They can just as easily monitor a suspects real trangressions in real time without having to use shady, quasi-legal tactics.
 
invictus43 said:
I do agree. I often joke that if I REALLY want to get revenge on someone, I'll call them a sex offender or put child porn on their home computer. The stigma of even an accusation, with or without merit, is brutal. Call someone a murderer, people might have some respect or fear. Call them a pedo, with or without due cause, and that is a very harmful label that's VERY hard to get out from under.

Having said that, bait-cars for car thieves is ok for me. If you see a bike and it's not yours, it's not OK to take it no matter what. If you didn't buy it, you don't own it. If you know the kid is 12 and you're picking her up in your car, you're done. Sorry, but ease isn't an excuse..
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The difference with that, is that the car doesn't take an active role in its own theft.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
The difference with that, is that the car doesn't take an active role in its own theft.
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Not sure I follow..are you saying that the 12 year old girl took an active role in her being pursued by a pedo and that makes it ok? Or that police are impersonating a 12 year old girl and that makes it entrapment?
 
Freestyle72 said:
I am with Rob on this one and here's why....

You are just chillin out at your computer and some fine looking young lady adds you on facebook. You are checking out here pics and she has all the grown up lady parts. Now you guys chat and get a long well for a few weeks, days, months... whatever. And then "she" says "oh btw I am 17 hope thats ok". Now me personally I find women... actually anybody about that age seemingly to be barely capable of any kind of interesting conversation however some dumb guys out there may actually find the conversations "stimulating". In any case some people may not normally go for a 17 year old chick, but they now have a rapport with the girl and have exchanged many e-mail etc...

And I just arbitrarily picked 17... there are girls of all ages that appear to be an age that they are not. I was just giving an example. So I do think that the manufactured situation would prompt someone to do something they normally would not do.
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I'm gonna agree with you guys also. I changed my mind on this subject after reading a chat log from one of those "to catch a predator" episodes. The fake "15 year old" girl was sending the dude skimpy pictures of what was really a 24 year old chick and pretty much encouraging a meet up. Dude was lonely, depressed, etc. and he took the bait. Not like he went out with the intention of finding underage girls, he joined a chat, started chatting with a random girl, who mentioned her age but was friendly and flirty. The guy didn't seem like a child molester at all, just a random lonely dude that got baited in. Actually kind of felt bad for him.
 
If they want to catch the true Pedo's they should use an ugly girls pics and say in the profile she is underage then that would take all the guys out of the equation that are being shown a sexy 18, 19 or 20yr old girls pics and most likely a profile somewhere saying there are 18 and being lured in by the police making the chat sexually explicit and then told she is underage.
I would assume a true pedofile would be more attracted to a young age then looks.
 
Lol oh my goodness dude if you have to pick up brauds that say they r underaged u r a creep bottom line man. Everyone is getting all fancy with their convos. If you are over 18 go for a braud your age man. I don't feel bad for any of those losers. Go to the gym take care of yourself if you have low selfesteem, don't be a pedo.
 
invictus43 said:
Not sure I follow..are you saying that the 12 year old girl took an active role in her being pursued by a pedo and that makes it ok? Or that police are impersonating a 12 year old girl and that makes it entrapment?
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No, I'm saying that the car is a static object, even when placed as "bait" but a police officer, pretending to be a minor, takes an active role in the interaction.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
No, I'm saying that the car is a static object, even when placed as "bait" but a police officer, pretending to be a minor, takes an active role in the interaction.
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exactly, the car doesn't tell the person "hey buddy, steal me, you'll get thousands of dollars for me" (mind you I do remember a pig face cd with a sticker on the cover that said something along the lines of "Steal this album, and if you won't steal it, at least copy it and give it to all your friends." I always wondered how many people attempted to steal it and thought that it was sad for the record store owner cause they had the losses.
 
Trolling pedos from /b/ ....

41 year old pred vs. what he thinks is a 13 year old. There are hundreds of these on 4chan.

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CruisnGrrl said:
exactly, the car doesn't tell the person "hey buddy, steal me, you'll get thousands of dollars for me" (mind you I do remember a pig face cd with a sticker on the cover that said something along the lines of "Steal this album, and if you won't steal it, at least copy it and give it to all your friends." I always wondered how many people attempted to steal it and thought that it was sad for the record store owner cause they had the losses.
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