COVID vaccine ‘passport’

[油井緋色]

The vaccine just reduces the effect of Covid on you. You can still get, and transmit, Covid.

Vaccines, generally speaking, are reverse engineered viruses that force your body to produce an immune system response. Generally speaking, if your immune system responds to something once, you become immune to it.

There are many exceptions to the above. But the general rule > exceptions unless any of us are domain experts. Where'd you read the study out of curiosity? I'm very cautious of third or second party sources (a news article citing a magazine, citing a journal); there are many instances where the person writing writing an article for the general audience hasn't a clue lol. Those journals are hard to read!

 

[GreyGhost]

Vaccines, generally speaking, are reverse engineered viruses that force your body to produce an immune system response. Generally speaking, if your immune system responds to something once, you become immune to it.

There are many exceptions to the above. But the general rule > exceptions unless any of us are domain experts.

That's generally true, but most of the covid vaccines are completely different. They go through the process with the wrapper, not the package.

Experts in immunology say to expect no change to transmission until proven otherwise. Often vaccines reduce transmission but their default position is that they don't. I'm not surprised they start from a conservative position as that is the safest approach.

 

[油井緋色]

That's generally true, but most of the covid vaccines are completely different. They go through the process with the wrapper, not the package.

Experts in immunology say to expect no change to transmission until proven otherwise. Often vaccines reduce transmission but their default position is that they don't. I'm not surprised they start from a conservative position as that is the safest approach.

I guess we're staying indoors still lol

Crossing my fingers that they're being conservative to avoid legal ramifications (or simply due diligence), and it isn't because the virus is some rapidly mutating bastard waiting to cause World War Z.

 

[Katatonic]

Vaccines, generally speaking, are reverse engineered viruses that force your body to produce an immune system response. Generally speaking, if your immune system responds to something once, you become immune to it.

There are many exceptions to the above. But the general rule > exceptions unless any of us are domain experts. Where'd you read the study out of curiosity? I'm very cautious of third or second party sources (a news article citing a magazine, citing a journal); there are many instances where the person writing writing an article for the general audience hasn't a clue lol. Those journals are hard to read!

The Covid vaccine is not a traditional vaccine.
A traditional vaccine used a weakened or inactive virus to induce an immune response.
The Covid vaccine is an mRNA vaccine that uses no living or dead Covid virus, but rather teaches our cells how to make a protein spike which in turn triggers an immune response.
If you Google “traditional vaccines vs mRNA vaccines” you can read about it on the CDC website.

 

[油井緋色]

The Covid vaccine is not a traditional vaccine.
A traditional vaccine used a weakened or inactive virus to induce an immune response.
The Covid vaccine is an mRNA vaccine that uses no living or dead Covid virus, but rather teaches our cells how to make a protein spike which in turn triggers an immune response.
If you Google “traditional vaccines vs mRNA vaccines” you can read about it on the CDC website.

Thanks a bunch! I did not know about this.

 

[Katatonic]

Just as a side note, I’m really liking (and a little surprised....lol) that this has remained a civil conversation. I know Covid in general is a hot-button issue for some people, same as vaccines, so it’s nice to see an exchange of thoughts and information and no personal attacks.

 

[crankcall]

My understanding (from my wife in healthcare, she's smart but not a scientist), the vaccine will give you a much better chance of not contracting, a possible reduction in symptims if you contract and a faster bounce back since you weren't as sick.

You should be less of a risk to others since you have a reduced chance of getting it, hence also spreading it.

I'm completely in favor of a 'passport' . I dont want to relate this to the polio/mumps/measles vaccination , they allow travel to places where that is still a problem, but this one, I'm good with a passport.

 

[nobbie48]

My understanding (from my wife in healthcare, she's smart but not a scientist), the vaccine will give you a much better chance of not contracting, a possible reduction in symptims if you contract and a faster bounce back since you weren't as sick.

You should be less of a risk to others since you have a reduced chance of getting it, hence also spreading it.

I'm completely in favor of a 'passport' . I dont want to relate this to the polio/mumps/measles vaccination , they allow travel to places where that is still a problem, but this one, I'm good with a passport.

So we can still get it and spread it. It just minimizes the number in ICU's. If we stop the mask and distance policies won't there be a huge number of "Silent Cases" and the chance of mutations

 

[GreyGhost]

So we can still get it and spread it. It just minimizes the number in ICU's. If we stop the mask and distance policies won't there be a huge number of "Silent Cases" and the chance of mutations

I haven't heard of anywhere with high case loads and no masks yet. US may be the first test case for that scenario. Hopefully the trials show that transmission is substantially impaired by some or all of the vaccines and this dies out. We just need R<1 and it quickly becomes a non-issue.

 

[nobbie48]

I haven't heard of anywhere with high case loads and no masks yet. US may be the first test case for that scenario. Hopefully the trials show that transmission is substantially impaired by some or all of the vaccines and this dies out. We just need R<1 and it quickly becomes a non-issue.

Do I read that as Covid just becomes another disease on the long list of ailments we can get hit by?

Hopefully the medical industry will continue to find improvements in preventions and cures.

How good does the situation have to be before you stop wearing a mask and using distancing?

Will we become a bit like China where masks have been worn long before Covid and no one sees it as paranoia?

 

[mimico_polak]

I haven't heard of anywhere with high case loads and no masks yet. US may be the first test case for that scenario. Hopefully the trials show that transmission is substantially impaired by some or all of the vaccines and this dies out. We just need R<1 and it quickly becomes a non-issue.

Considering they’re up to ~2M vaccinations per day last I heard, and growing, they may put a pretty big dent into C19 soon enough.

Canada is supposedly getting 910k vaccines shortly also.

Unless my memory has totally failed me.

 

[GreyGhost]

Do I read that as Covid just becomes another disease on the long list of ailments we can get hit by?

Hopefully the medical industry will continue to find improvements in preventions and cures.

How good does the situation have to be before you stop wearing a mask and using distancing?

Will we become a bit like China where masks have been worn long before Covid and no one sees it as paranoia?

Covid at R<1 and most of the population vaccinated becomes like the cold or flu. Some people get it, the vast majority survive, it ebbs and flows but doesn't take off like a rocket.

 

[ToSlow]

Considering they’re up to ~2M vaccinations per day last I heard, and growing, they may put a pretty big dent into C19 soon enough.

Canada is supposedly getting 910k vaccines shortly also.

Unless my memory has totally failed me.

Americans was up to a million shots a day before the new regime took office. I’m sure they are over 2million a day by now

 

[GreyGhost]

Considering they’re up to ~2M vaccinations per day last I heard, and growing, they may put a pretty big dent into C19 soon enough.

Canada is supposedly getting 910k vaccines shortly also.

Unless my memory has totally failed me.

The US is vaccinating at an impressive rate. I was talking with some family that have all had at least one shot, some of them two. Extended family that works in a grocery store got it a month ago.

At least some states still have mask guidelines as a family member that attended a funeral in Ohio last week said everyone wore masks (now she is "isolating" in their semi while her kids go to school everyday, facepalm).

Biden is predicting end of May as substantial completion of people that want to be vaccinated. I have no idea when the transmission trials start producing results. It will be interesting to see what the states do once substantial vaccination is complete. What if a state has a low voluntary uptake so R stays above one. Do they just open up and let god sort them out?

 

[crankcall]

Texas has dropped mask requirements so that will be the first big 'test'. We will know in about 4 weeks how that's going.

 

[ToSlow]

They are opening Disney in Cali so it should also be a test to see how it goes as i would imagine most will not be social distancing

 

[Brian P]

Re vaccine potentially reducing transmission: "They haven't proven it" doesn't mean "it doesn't happen". It is highly likely that a vaccinated person would not get anywhere near the viral load of an officially-sick person. It may be non-zero but it ought to be less. But ... It's hard to study that in the context of a phase-3 clinical trial with random members of the public. Those trials focused on "getting less sick".

It is highly likely that vaccinated people will transmit less virus to others, potentially much less. But right now ... there is no data because it hasn't been studied.

The UK got a great big spike of infection a couple months ago when the B.1.1.7 variant started taking over (now ~90% of cases there). And then they started vaccinating, and they've done about a third of the population (mostly AstraZeneca FWIW), and some additional portion of the population is immune because they've already been infected and recovered.

And now, look at their daily new cases graph (and the daily new deaths graph): United Kingdom Coronavirus: 4,223,232 Cases and 124,566 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[Baggsy]

Old man and his 90 year old friend are still waiting.
They signed up as soon as they could.
Still waiting for Tory to get his thumb out.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Still waiting for Tory to get his thumb out.

Tory is a clown. Or a waffle. A waffling clown?

 

[jc100]

The vaccine just reduces the effect of Covid on you. You can still get, and transmit, Covid.

But not propagate the virus unchecked....viral load is often associated with how severe your symptoms are, so vaccination can keep the viral load down too. So many benefits to vaccinations for everyone and hardly any downsides. I'm all for freedoms but in this case you're free to not get vaccinated but other countries should be under no obligation to allow you to enter their country and your host country should be under no obligation to allow you the same privileges as vaccinated members of the community.